I just got an email from Altera, saying:

ear Altera Customer,

The new Quartus® II Web Edition Software version 7.2 is now available 
for download.
New features include:

	[...blah...]
     * Get complete OS support for Linux in addition to 64-bit Windows
       Vista

However, on the download page they still have:

For Solaris or Linux support, purchase an Altera software subscription.

Anyone knows what the deal is?

	-hpa

H. Peter Anvin wrote:

> However, on the download page they still have:
> For Solaris or Linux support, purchase an Altera software subscription.
> Anyone knows what the deal is?

Last I checked, the web edition is
windows only with no rtl viewer
and no oem modelsim.

   -- Mike Treseler

H. Peter Anvin wrote:

> I just got an email from Altera, saying:
> 
> ear Altera Customer,
> 
> The new Quartus® II Web Edition Software version 7.2 is now available 
> for download.
> New features include:
> 
>       [...blah...]
>      * Get complete OS support for Linux in addition to 64-bit Windows
>        Vista
> 
> However, on the download page they still have:
> 
> For Solaris or Linux support, purchase an Altera software subscription.
> 
> Anyone knows what the deal is?

Doesn't Altera make use of the MainWin runtime environment to allow their tools to
run on Linux or Solaris? If so, then they cannot give away free copies of their
own Altera tools on Linux without having to pay royalties to MainSoft.

I have no real proof that this is the case, but it sounds plausible to me. That doesn't
mean I like it. Hell no, I really wish they would develop native Linux tools.
--
Kees

Kees Bakker wrote:
> 
> Doesn't Altera make use of the MainWin runtime environment to allow their tools to
> run on Linux or Solaris? If so, then they cannot give away free copies of their
> own Altera tools on Linux without having to pay royalties to MainSoft.
> 
> I have no real proof that this is the case, but it sounds plausible to me. That
doesn't
> mean I like it. Hell no, I really wish they would develop native Linux tools.
> 

That has certainly been the case in the past (although only for the GUI 
tools -- the CLI tools worked just fine without.)  I was hoping that the 
announcement meant they had fixed that (after all, Xilinx already 
cleaned that up.)

There are some really good cross-platform development environments 
without the issues of MainWin; Qt comes to mind.

	-hpa

No, it seems you still have to pay $2000 more if
you want to use Linux
and stay legal.
Altera sucks.

Sebastien Bourdeauducq wrote:
> No, it seems you still have to pay $2000 more if you want to use Linux
> and stay legal.

That includes oem modelsim and the rtl and state viewers.
I'd call that a bargain.

         -- Mike Treseler

On Oct 13, 1:30 am, Sebastien Bourdeauducq
<sebastien.bourdeaud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No, it seems you still have to pay $2000 more if you want to use Linux
> and stay legal.
> Altera sucks.

Sebastien, can I have your car? No? Well, you suck!

Seriously, a more constructive discussion here might be what the state
of running Quartus II under Wine is. I gather that some have
succeeded. I regularly run Quartus II in a WinXP VM on my Mac (using
VMware Fusion). I tried to install Quartus II 7.1sp1 Web Ed. with
CrossOver 6.1 in a Win2K bottle, but alas the installation hung.

Personally I'd care more about having a version that worked under Wine/
CrossOver than a native Linux port.

My $0.0145,
Tommy

On Oct 13, 6:31 pm, Tommy Thorn
<tommy.th...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Personally I'd care more about having a version that worked under Wine/
> CrossOver than a native Linux port.

Um, why???

If costs were equaly, why would you want to deal with an extra
compatability layer compared to native?

Only reason I can see is if the "native" version actually used some
kind of horrid compatability layer itself.

I can see reasons for running something in a VM (if you don't trust
it), but wine is not a VM...

On Oct 14, 5:30 pm, cs_post...@hotmail.com
wrote:
> On Oct 13, 6:31 pm, Tommy Thorn <tommy.th...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Personally I'd care more about having a version that worked under Wine/
> > CrossOver than a native Linux port.
>
> Um, why???

When I wrote that it was because a native Linux would not make a
difference to me when running it on Mac OS. No, I don't expect a
native Mac OS port.

However, now that I've gotten a tad bit further with CrossOver(*) I've
been extremely disappointed to see that CrossOver actually has a even
larger load (~ 30 %) when idle, compared to the ~ 20 % load in a WinXP
VM. Indeed, a Linux VM would be even better as with recent changes to
the kernel the load can get quite load indeed (unfortunately I don't
thave the number, but I _think_ it's way less than 10 %).


> If costs were equaly, why would you want to deal with an extra
> compatability layer compared to native?

Because native to me is Darwin.

Tommy
(*) The trick to get Quartus II running in CrossOver was the remove
jtagserver.exe and jtagconfig.exe. Unfortunately, it crashes as soon
as I try actually _doing_ anything.

Tommy Thorn wrote:
>...
> Personally I'd care more about having a version that worked under Wine/
> CrossOver than a native Linux port.

Wine??? There are very, very few applications that actually work under Wine.
And of those, the majority is of no interest for Linux users, because there
are perfect alternatives which are native Linux.

Wine is - that's my experience anyway - no environment to run Win32 applications
on a Linux PC.

> 
> My $0.0145,

That's roughly ¤0.01

> Tommy

My ¤0.013793
--
Kees