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Comp.Arch.FPGA | From ASIC RTL to FPGA, what are the things I should take care of?

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From ASIC RTL to FPGA, what are the things I should take care of? - jasonL - 2008-02-20 12:00:00

I have a project to prototype an ASIC design on
FPGA. What are the
things I should do? Here is some of my concerns:

1) I understand FPGAs usually have 4 look-up table. Should I rewrite
the ASIC combinational logics to be four-inputs logics to improve the
utilization of FPGA?

2) Netting if and case statements over three layers might results a
poor synthesis result in FPGA . Should I changes those netting codes
in ASIC RTL?

3) ASIC synthesis need to generate clock tree and power rails. In FPGA
synthesis, Maybe I not need to care too much about it?

4) Is there a to-do-list for this kind of job?

Thank you for any advices.
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Re: From ASIC RTL to FPGA, what are the things I should take care of? - 2008-02-20 12:28:00

On 20 Feb., 18:00, jasonL
<junsong.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a project to prototype an ASIC design on FPGA. What are the
> things I should do? Here is some of my concerns:
>
> 1) I understand FPGAs usually have 4 look-up table. Should I rewrite
> the ASIC combinational logics to be four-inputs logics to improve the
> utilization of FPGA?
>
> 2) Netting if and case statements over three layers might results a
> poor synthesis result in FPGA . Should I changes those netting codes
> in ASIC RTL?
>
> 3) ASIC synthesis need to generate clock tree and power rails. In FPGA
> synthesis, Maybe I not need to care too much about it?
>
> 4) Is there a to-do-list for this kind of job?
>
> Thank you for any advices.

1) no, unless you are given the opportunity to get old doing this
project
2) see 1
3) yes
4) Yes, your 1st and only point: give it to a third party

It seems somebody gave you the wrong job, because you neither have
experience with fpga nor asic design. At least basic experience with
FPGA would be needed.
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Re: From ASIC RTL to FPGA, what are the things I should take care of? - Dwayne Dilbeck - 2008-02-20 13:21:00

ASIC protoyping using FPGAs is a common enough
occurance. There are multiple 
low priced tool vendors that specialize in this area.  It is best not to 
re-invent the wheel.  Rather look up the tool vendors and let thier tools 
handle the FPGA mapping issues.

The following paper can give you more insight into the process. I doubt you 
will find any FPGA protoype vendors in this paper, Since Mentor has a cycle 
based emulator that they compete against the fpgra protoypes with.

http://www.mentor.com/products/fpga_pld/techpubs/mentorpaper_33693.cfm





"jasonL" <j...@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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>I have a project to prototype an ASIC design on FPGA. What are the
> things I should do? Here is some of my concerns:
>
> 1) I understand FPGAs usually have 4 look-up table. Should I rewrite
> the ASIC combinational logics to be four-inputs logics to improve the
> utilization of FPGA?
>
> 2) Netting if and case statements over three layers might results a
> poor synthesis result in FPGA . Should I changes those netting codes
> in ASIC RTL?
>
> 3) ASIC synthesis need to generate clock tree and power rails. In FPGA
> synthesis, Maybe I not need to care too much about it?
>
> 4) Is there a to-do-list for this kind of job?
>
> Thank you for any advices. 


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Re: From ASIC RTL to FPGA, what are the things I should take care of? - Ralf Hildebrandt - 2008-02-20 15:45:00

jasonL schrieb:

> I have a project to prototype an ASIC design on FPGA. What are the
> things I should do? Here is some of my concerns:

Well .. good HDL code should be portable. ;-)


> 1) I understand FPGAs usually have 4 look-up table. Should I rewrite
> the ASIC combinational logics to be four-inputs logics to improve the
> utilization of FPGA?

No. Usually the FPGA is big enough. This is an advanced topic for
highly-optimized designs.


> 2) Netting if and case statements over three layers might results a
> poor synthesis result in FPGA . Should I changes those netting codes
> in ASIC RTL?

Flipflops are free in FPGAs. Therefore you can pipeline your design
easily. The only disadvantage are the additional clocks through the
pipeline.


> 3) ASIC synthesis need to generate clock tree and power rails. In FPGA
> synthesis, Maybe I not need to care too much about it?

Ususally you should place an instance of a component, that tells the
synthesis tool to use global clocks and global signals for reset. For
Xilinx this it a BUFG.


> 4) Is there a to-do-list for this kind of job?

Usually I replace memories with BlockRAM inside the FPGA and use
instances of clock buffers. Thats it.

Fully synchronous designs are easily done on FPGAs, but even highly
clock-gated designs using a lot of latches run quite fine.

Ralf

Re: From ASIC RTL to FPGA, what are the things I should take care of? - jasonL - 2008-02-22 16:40:00

On Feb 20, 3:45 pm, Ralf Hildebrandt
<Ralf-Hildebra...@gmx.de> wrote:
> jasonL schrieb:
>
> > I have a project to prototype an ASIC design on FPGA. What are the
> > things I should do? Here is some of my concerns:
>
> Well .. good HDL code should be portable. ;-)
>
> > 1) I understand FPGAs usually have 4 look-up table. Should I rewrite
> > the ASIC combinational logics to be four-inputs logics to improve the
> > utilization of FPGA?
>
> No. Usually the FPGA is big enough. This is an advanced topic for
> highly-optimized designs.
>
> > 2) Netting if and case statements over three layers might results a
> > poor synthesis result in FPGA . Should I changes those netting codes
> > in ASIC RTL?
>
> Flipflops are free in FPGAs. Therefore you can pipeline your design
> easily. The only disadvantage are the additional clocks through the
> pipeline.
>
> > 3) ASIC synthesis need to generate clock tree and power rails. In FPGA
> > synthesis, Maybe I not need to care too much about it?
>
> Ususally you should place an instance of a component, that tells the
> synthesis tool to use global clocks and global signals for reset. For
> Xilinx this it a BUFG.
>
> > 4) Is there a to-do-list for this kind of job?
>
> Usually I replace memories with BlockRAM inside the FPGA and use
> instances of clock buffers. Thats it.
>
> Fully synchronous designs are easily done on FPGAs, but even highly
> clock-gated designs using a lot of latches run quite fine.
>
> Ralf

Thank you all for the helps. It seems that a good synthesizer will do
a lot of help.
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