We will be demonstrating a little of this in a new FPGA coprocessor
module that we are doing for our standard development boards in a few
weeks time. I'll talk about this one in our newsletter to those that
get it in the next few weeks but until then you all just have to
wonder. It will be a first come first served offer and when the stock
is gone that will be it.

John Adair
Enterpoint Ltd.

On Feb 7, 2:17=A0pm, rickman <gnu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 6, 1:00 pm, John Adair <g...@enterpoint.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Cyclone IV is expensive in Digikey at the moment. A lot does depend on
> > the numbers you are buying and if you need more than 1 or 2 it would
> > be worth talking to your local distributor.
>
> That is quite an understatement. =A0If you can make them believe you are
> real, you can get a big discount over list prices. =A0FPGA prices are
> very negotiable if you are buying any real quantity. =A0But the biggest
> discounts come with the latest parts. =A0If you are designing in an
> older part, you will only see modest discounts. =A0With the newest parts
> they are trying hard to get design wins as they know early design wins
> make or break profits for years to come. =A0So find out what each vendor
> is pushing hard and pit them against each other regardless of what
> brand you really want to use. =A0It is amazing how hard they will try to
> win your design for just a couple 1000 parts per year.
>
> Rick

It's only out to a very select number of strategic customers at
present but that will change shortly. There is a minor revision of our
original design in progress and once that is sorted out we will go
public with the detail of the new revision board. This board, and a
few of our other projects, have slipped as a result of our loading and
we are a victim to our own success this year. Our website is also
suffering a little due to the same cause. All of this should improve
in early Q2 and I will be talking about a number of different and new
concepts that we are currently developing and that I hope customers
will like. As always we looking to apply common sense to practical
problems and I'm hoping to have some of this to show at ESC in San
Jose this year.

John Adair
Enterpoint Ltd.

On Feb 6, 11:59=A0pm, "scrts" <mailsoc@[remove@here]gmail.com> wrote:
> >Enterpoint Ltd. - Home of Raggedstone3. The Cyclone IV GX Development
> >Platform.
>
> Why I can't find this in Your page?

On Feb 6, 1:00 pm, John Adair <g...@enterpoint.co.uk> wrote:
> Cyclone IV is expensive in Digikey at the moment. A lot does depend on
> the numbers you are buying and if you need more than 1 or 2 it would
> be worth talking to your local distributor.

That is quite an understatement.  If you can make them believe you are
real, you can get a big discount over list prices.  FPGA prices are
very negotiable if you are buying any real quantity.  But the biggest
discounts come with the latest parts.  If you are designing in an
older part, you will only see modest discounts.  With the newest parts
they are trying hard to get design wins as they know early design wins
make or break profits for years to come.  So find out what each vendor
is pushing hard and pit them against each other regardless of what
brand you really want to use.  It is amazing how hard they will try to
win your design for just a couple 1000 parts per year.

Rick

>Enterpoint Ltd. - Home of Raggedstone3. The Cyclone IV GX Development 
>Platform.

Why I can't find this in Your page?

Cyclone IV is expensive in Digikey at the moment. A lot does depend on
the numbers you are buying and if you need more than 1 or 2 it would
be worth talking to your local distributor.

John Adair
Enterpoint Ltd. - Home of Raggedstone3. The Cyclone IV GX Development
Platform.

On Feb 5, 8:13=A0pm, Philipp Klaus Krause <p...@spth.de> wrote:
> A few days ago I had a look at FPGA prices at digikey. Looking at EQFP
> packages I noticed that at every LE/memory point the Cyclone IV is about
> 40% more expensive than the equivalent Cyclone III.
> Why is the Cyclone IV so much more expensive than the Cyclone III?
>
> Philipp

D/K is not the real pricing.  If you are using any decent qty's, the C4 
is cheaper than its C3 predecessor.  I've got a quote to prove it!  And 
no, I can't share it--that would not be ethical.


On 2/5/2011 3:13 PM, Philipp Klaus Krause wrote:
> A few days ago I had a look at FPGA prices at digikey. Looking at EQFP
> packages I noticed that at every LE/memory point the Cyclone IV is about
> 40% more expensive than the equivalent Cyclone III.
> Why is the Cyclone IV so much more expensive than the Cyclone III?
>
> Philipp

On 02/05/2011 12:13 PM, Philipp Klaus Krause wrote:
> A few days ago I had a look at FPGA prices at digikey. Looking at EQFP
> packages I noticed that at every LE/memory point the Cyclone IV is about
> 40% more expensive than the equivalent Cyclone III.
> Why is the Cyclone IV so much more expensive than the Cyclone III?

So that Altera can recoup their investment from the folks who _need_ to 
be on the bleeding edge, before they make the Cyclone V and all those 
desperate folks abandon the Cyclone IV as "old hat".

-- 

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

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A few days ago I had a look at FPGA prices at digikey. Looking at EQFP
packages I noticed that at every LE/memory point the Cyclone IV is about
40% more expensive than the equivalent Cyclone III.
Why is the Cyclone IV so much more expensive than the Cyclone III?

Philipp