I assume the bay area is number one for embedded software engineers, but where else are the big markets, as companies run from califoria taxes. Denver, CO - Does big population mean high tech? Phoenix, AZ - Sun birds. Albuquerque, NM - Sun birds, ballon festival. Salt Lake City, UT - Mormons, big population. Portland, OR - Big population. Seattle, WA - All those ex-Microsofties starting companies. Which of these are go, or no-go? And if the bay area is it, where in the bay area?
Where to move for an embedded software engineer.
Started by ●December 9, 2012
Reply by ●December 9, 20122012-12-09
On 12/9/2012 6:04 PM, no one wrote:> I assume the bay area is number one for embedded software engineers, > but where else are the big markets, as companies run from califoria taxes. > > Denver, CO - Does big population mean high tech? > Phoenix, AZ - Sun birds. > Albuquerque, NM - Sun birds, ballon festival. > Salt Lake City, UT - Mormons, big population. > Portland, OR - Big population. > Seattle, WA - All those ex-Microsofties starting companies. > > Which of these are go, or no-go? > > And if the bay area is it, where in the bay area? >I see by your list, you are not going East of the Miss. Embedded Software Engineers is no longer a term of embedded processor engineers. Everyone uses it anymore, so you really need to be specific about _your_ definition of embedded engineer. As this is an FPGA newsgroup, do you mean Embedded FPGA engineer ? Do you mean assembly language / C language Embedded Engineer ? hamilton PS: Don't Come to Denver, we have too many UN-employed engineers already.
Reply by ●December 11, 20122012-12-11
On 10/12/2012 02:04, no one wrote:> I assume the bay area is number one for embedded software engineers, > but where else are the big markets, as companies run from califoria taxes. > > Denver, CO - Does big population mean high tech? > Phoenix, AZ - Sun birds. > Albuquerque, NM - Sun birds, ballon festival. > Salt Lake City, UT - Mormons, big population. > Portland, OR - Big population. > Seattle, WA - All those ex-Microsofties starting companies. > > Which of these are go, or no-go? > > And if the bay area is it, where in the bay area? >This is an international group, not an American group - "the bay area" is meaningless outside your country. And since the world extends a long way outside the USA, have you considered moving abroad? Certainly Norway has a great shortage of engineers.
Reply by ●December 11, 20122012-12-11
David Brown wrote:> On 10/12/2012 02:04, no one wrote: >> I assume the bay area is number one for embedded software engineers, >> but where else are the big markets, as companies run from califoria >> taxes. >> >> Denver, CO - Does big population mean high tech? >> Phoenix, AZ - Sun birds. >> Albuquerque, NM - Sun birds, ballon festival. >> Salt Lake City, UT - Mormons, big population. >> Portland, OR - Big population. >> Seattle, WA - All those ex-Microsofties starting companies. >> >> Which of these are go, or no-go? >> >> And if the bay area is it, where in the bay area? >> > > This is an international group, not an American group - "the bay area" > is meaningless outside your country. >It's meaningless in most of the USA also. I used to live in the "bay area" on the "west coast" - Tampa, FL...> And since the world extends a long way outside the USA, have you > considered moving abroad? Certainly Norway has a great shortage of > engineers. >Have you considered looking for a job first, and then deciding where to move? In this economy, that would seem a sounder approach. -- Gabor
Reply by ●December 12, 20122012-12-12
In article <ka3e4a$vab$1@dont-email.me>, hamilton <hamilton@nothere.com> wrote:> On 12/9/2012 6:04 PM, no one wrote: > > I assume the bay area is number one for embedded software engineers, > > but where else are the big markets, as companies run from califoria taxes. > > > > Denver, CO - Does big population mean high tech? > > Phoenix, AZ - Sun birds. > > Albuquerque, NM - Sun birds, ballon festival. > > Salt Lake City, UT - Mormons, big population. > > Portland, OR - Big population. > > Seattle, WA - All those ex-Microsofties starting companies. > > > > Which of these are go, or no-go? > > > > And if the bay area is it, where in the bay area?I find I must specify the California bay area, picky, picky, picky. ;)> I see by your list, you are not going East of the Miss.Correct. ;)> Embedded Software Engineers is no longer a term of embedded processor > engineers. > > Everyone uses it anymore, so you really need to be specific about _your_ > definition of embedded engineer. > > As this is an FPGA newsgroup, do you mean Embedded FPGA engineer ?No, I just happen to lurk here as the posts are interesting.> Do you mean assembly language / C language Embedded Engineer ?Correct, and this group seemed to cover software as well as hardware, though a few think not. If anyone would nominate a non-dead more software embedded newsgroup I will gladly go take a look. With the exception of C++ groups, fringe freaks debating broken ideas do not excite me.> PS: Don't Come to Denver, we have too many UN-employed engineers already.I have scoped out Denver a little and each of the suburb cities seems to have a major high tech company. On the downside last time I drove through I found the traffic to be horrible. Denver is so big I would have to pick a sub-city as the commute is to long, same as California. All those places I listed (except the bay area) would allow me to engage my geology hobby on the weekends.
Reply by ●December 12, 20122012-12-12
On 12/12/2012 05:52, no one wrote:> In article <ka3e4a$vab$1@dont-email.me>, >> As this is an FPGA newsgroup, do you mean Embedded FPGA engineer ? > > No, I just happen to lurk here as the posts are interesting.That's why I am here too. I have only done a little FPGA (or CPLD) development, but sometimes threads here can be very interesting. I've learned a lot about high-speed digital design from this group over the years, and it applies to processor-based boards just as well as to FPGA boards.> >> Do you mean assembly language / C language Embedded Engineer ? > > Correct, and this group seemed to cover software as well as hardware, > though a few think not. If anyone would nominate a non-dead more software > embedded newsgroup I will gladly go take a look. >That would be comp.arch.embedded. It is not software-only, but that is certainly a common topic. mvh., David
Reply by ●December 12, 20122012-12-12
And since the world extends a long way outside the USA, have you considered moving abroad? Certainly Norway has a great shortage of engineers. Really? Where can I search for job listings?
Reply by ●December 12, 20122012-12-12
On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 22:52:17 -0600, no one wrote:> In article <ka3e4a$vab$1@dont-email.me>, > hamilton <hamilton@nothere.com> wrote: > >> On 12/9/2012 6:04 PM, no one wrote: >> > I assume the bay area is number one for embedded software engineers, >> > but where else are the big markets, as companies run from califoria >> > taxes. >> > >> > Denver, CO - Does big population mean high tech? Phoenix, AZ - Sun >> > birds. >> > Albuquerque, NM - Sun birds, ballon festival. Salt Lake City, UT - >> > Mormons, big population. Portland, OR - Big population. >> > Seattle, WA - All those ex-Microsofties starting companies. >> > >> > Which of these are go, or no-go? >> > >> > And if the bay area is it, where in the bay area? > > I find I must specify the California bay area, picky, picky, picky. ;) > >> I see by your list, you are not going East of the Miss. > > Correct. ;) > >> Embedded Software Engineers is no longer a term of embedded processor >> engineers. >> >> Everyone uses it anymore, so you really need to be specific about >> _your_ definition of embedded engineer. >> >> As this is an FPGA newsgroup, do you mean Embedded FPGA engineer ? > > No, I just happen to lurk here as the posts are interesting. > >> Do you mean assembly language / C language Embedded Engineer ? > > Correct, and this group seemed to cover software as well as hardware, > though a few think not. If anyone would nominate a non-dead more > software embedded newsgroup I will gladly go take a look. > > With the exception of C++ groups, fringe freaks debating broken ideas do > not excite me. > >> PS: Don't Come to Denver, we have too many UN-employed engineers >> already. > > I have scoped out Denver a little and each of the suburb cities seems to > have a major high tech company. On the downside last time I drove > through I found the traffic to be horrible. Denver is so big I would > have to pick a sub-city as the commute is to long, same as California. > > All those places I listed (except the bay area) would allow me to engage > my geology hobby on the weekends.comp.arch.embedded is active, on-topic, and usually has many interesting threads. Dallas and Austin both have a lot of high tech. LA and San Diego have some automotive and industrial, and lots of defense stuff. Embedded is everywhere. If you're really pretty agnostic about where you want to work, I'd suggest that you just move to the first job you find (and in this economy, don't settle down: consider renting and not buying much stuff that's hard to move 1000 miles). Pay close attention to cost of living: I had a friend from the Portland (OR) area who went to work at a company in Silicon Valley at a pay rate that astonished him, only to discover after he had moved that the cost of rent and food and damn near everything else is astonishing, too -- he soon found a gig in Seattle for way less pay and higher net return. This cuts both ways: a pay rate that sucks in Portland (and is in the sub- basements in San Jose) may get you ahead in the long run if the job is in Missoula. Even though you specifically mention not looking east of the Mississippi, you should take a second look at the east coast. Massachusetts has tons of high-tech along the 128 corridor, and even more work scattered up and down I-495. There's plenty of high-tech in New Hampshire, to boot. If you don't mind Military, there's tons of work to be had in the various Washington DC outer suburbs, and the southeast is coming on strong. I'm sure I'm leaving out something here, but you get the idea. If you like your geology flat, there's always the Midwest: anything automotive (and I mean _anything_: cars, tractors, railway, etc.) needs lots of embedded, and it's all concentrated around the great lakes. It's not a bad idea if you do settle down to try to scope out where the work is concentrated, and try to center yourself in the area (or if you want to live out of town a bit, go for "center-rural"). Settling right next to work is great until you have to change jobs. Settling in the middle of a 30-minute-drive-to-anywhere spot works well when things change, or when the spouse gets a job, too. -- My liberal friends think I'm a conservative kook. My conservative friends think I'm a liberal kook. Why am I not happy that they have found common ground? Tim Wescott, Communications, Control, Circuits & Software http://www.wescottdesign.com
Reply by ●December 12, 20122012-12-12
On 12/12/2012 11:32 AM, Tim Wescott wrote:> > comp.arch.embedded is active, on-topic, and usually has many interesting > threads.If you visit comp.arch.embedded, be aware of the (right/left) wing crackpot that live there. "interesting threads" is an understatement !!
Reply by ●December 13, 20122012-12-13
Tim Wescott wrote:> On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 22:52:17 -0600, no one wrote: > >> In article <ka3e4a$vab$1@dont-email.me>, >> hamilton <hamilton@nothere.com> wrote: >> >>> On 12/9/2012 6:04 PM, no one wrote: >>>> I assume the bay area is number one for embedded software engineers, >>>> but where else are the big markets, as companies run from califoria >>>> taxes. >>>> >>>> Denver, CO - Does big population mean high tech? Phoenix, AZ - Sun >>>> birds. >>>> Albuquerque, NM - Sun birds, ballon festival. Salt Lake City, UT - >>>> Mormons, big population. Portland, OR - Big population. >>>> Seattle, WA - All those ex-Microsofties starting companies. >>>> >>>> Which of these are go, or no-go? >>>> >>>> And if the bay area is it, where in the bay area? >> >> I find I must specify the California bay area, picky, picky, picky. ;) >> >>> I see by your list, you are not going East of the Miss. >> >> Correct. ;) >> >>> Embedded Software Engineers is no longer a term of embedded processor >>> engineers. >>> >>> Everyone uses it anymore, so you really need to be specific about >>> _your_ definition of embedded engineer. >>> >>> As this is an FPGA newsgroup, do you mean Embedded FPGA engineer ? >> >> No, I just happen to lurk here as the posts are interesting. >> >>> Do you mean assembly language / C language Embedded Engineer ? >> >> Correct, and this group seemed to cover software as well as hardware, >> though a few think not. If anyone would nominate a non-dead more >> software embedded newsgroup I will gladly go take a look. >> >> With the exception of C++ groups, fringe freaks debating broken ideas do >> not excite me. >> >>> PS: Don't Come to Denver, we have too many UN-employed engineers >>> already. >> >> I have scoped out Denver a little and each of the suburb cities seems to >> have a major high tech company. On the downside last time I drove >> through I found the traffic to be horrible. Denver is so big I would >> have to pick a sub-city as the commute is to long, same as California. >> >> All those places I listed (except the bay area) would allow me to engage >> my geology hobby on the weekends. > > comp.arch.embedded is active, on-topic, and usually has many interesting > threads. > > Dallas and Austin both have a lot of high tech.Dallas has this endless supply of 3 month Java contracts, so it's at least something, but there's not a lot of embedded work. Something's gone horribly wrong in Dallas. Can't put my finger on it.> LA and San Diego have > some automotive and industrial, and lots of defense stuff. > > Embedded is everywhere. If you're really pretty agnostic about where you > want to work, I'd suggest that you just move to the first job you find > (and in this economy, don't settle down: consider renting and not buying > much stuff that's hard to move 1000 miles). >+1. You can move a lot of stuff surprisingly cheap these days.> Pay close attention to cost of living: I had a friend from the Portland > (OR) area who went to work at a company in Silicon Valley at a pay rate > that astonished him, only to discover after he had moved that the cost of > rent and food and damn near everything else is astonishing, too-- he > soon found a gig in Seattle for way less pay and higher net return. This > cuts both ways: a pay rate that sucks in Portland (and is in the sub- > basements in San Jose) may get you ahead in the long run if the job is in > Missoula. > > Even though you specifically mention not looking east of the Mississippi, > you should take a second look at the east coast. Massachusetts has tons > of high-tech along the 128 corridor, and even more work scattered up and > down I-495. There's plenty of high-tech in New Hampshire, to boot. If > you don't mind Military, there's tons of work to be had in the various > Washington DC outer suburbs,They very frequently expect an active clearance and military spend is in grave risk these days - has been since '08. If you point that way get and keep an active clearance.> and the southeast is coming on strong. I'm > sure I'm leaving out something here, but you get the idea. > > If you like your geology flat, there's always the Midwest: anything > automotive (and I mean _anything_: cars, tractors, railway, etc.) needs > lots of embedded, and it's all concentrated around the great lakes. >Yep. It also usually has a very low Mickey Mouse factor.> It's not a bad idea if you do settle down to try to scope out where the > work is concentrated, and try to center yourself in the area (or if you > want to live out of town a bit, go for "center-rural"). Settling right > next to work is great until you have to change jobs. Settling in the > middle of a 30-minute-drive-to-anywhere spot works well when things > change, or when the spouse gets a job, too. >-- Les Cargill
