Hallo, it seems that XILINX ISE7.1 is out. Anybody has goy his hands on it? Does it now use QT for the GUI? Anybody using the Linux version? Is the WindU compatiblity layer gone? Any other comments? And when to expect Webpack 7.1? -- Uwe Bonnes bon@elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt --------- Tel. 06151 162516 -------- Fax. 06151 164321 ----------
Xilinx ISE7.1
Started by ●March 2, 2005
Reply by ●March 2, 20052005-03-02
Uwe Bonnes wrote:> Hallo, > > it seems that XILINX ISE7.1 is out. Anybody has goy his hands on it? > Does it now use QT for the GUI? Anybody using the Linux version? Is the > WindU compatiblity layer gone? Any other comments? > > And when to expect Webpack 7.1? >http://www.xilinx.com/ise/ossupport/index.htm Webpack supports linux so I guess WindU is gone. Sylvain
Reply by ●March 2, 20052005-03-02
Uwe Bonnes wrote:> Hallo, > > it seems that XILINX ISE7.1 is out. Anybody has goy his hands on it? > Does it now use QT for the GUI? Anybody using the Linux version? Is the > WindU compatiblity layer gone? Any other comments? > > And when to expect Webpack 7.1? >Xilinx.com says Webpack 7.1 should be out by March 2005. Any time now... :-) I'm excited to see that ISE will now include a simulator. I somehow found ModelSim's interface rather clunky (I also dont make use of most of the features it offers, like Tcl scripting), and I'd like to see how ISE Simulator fares. Also, MXE's artificial speed limit makes simulations more painful. I guess the only downside to ISE 7 is that we bought ISE 6.3 just a few weeks back :-( -Jim
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On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 04:13:34 -0700, Jim George <jimgeorge_@_gmail.com> wrote:> I'm excited to see that ISE will now include a simulator. I somehow >found ModelSim's interface rather clunky (I also dont make use of most >of the features it offers, like Tcl scripting), and I'd like to see how >ISE Simulator fares. Also, MXE's artificial speed limit makes >simulations more painful.The 'new ISE simulator' (no name yet?) looks like it's an option with Foundation, and there's a free kludged version with Foundation and BaseX. There's no pricing at the online store yet for the full version. The docs say that it supports VHDL93, Verilog2001, and SDF, as well as the usual GUI stuff. The screenshot looks like ISE, so they've obviously done at least some work on it, rather than buying it all in. This is *really* going to piss off the EDA vendors. XST has already screwed Mentor, Synplicity, and Synopsys, and this will eventually do more of the same. The interesting question here is whether Xilinx can co-exist with the EDA industry, and what happens when the bust-up comes. Rick
Reply by ●March 2, 20052005-03-02
"Richard Thompson" <nospam@nospam.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:rv9b211auqu58u35nq0ds2hb7iseoteu1i@4ax.com...> On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 04:13:34 -0700, Jim George <jimgeorge_@_gmail.com> > wrote: > > > I'm excited to see that ISE will now include a simulator. I somehow > >found ModelSim's interface rather clunky (I also dont make use of most > >of the features it offers, like Tcl scripting), and I'd like to see how > >ISE Simulator fares. Also, MXE's artificial speed limit makes > >simulations more painful. > > The 'new ISE simulator' (no name yet?) looks like it's an option with > Foundation, and there's a free kludged version with Foundation and > BaseX. There's no pricing at the online store yet for the full > version. > > The docs say that it supports VHDL93, Verilog2001, and SDF, as well as > the usual GUI stuff. The screenshot looks like ISE, so they've > obviously done at least some work on it, rather than buying it all in. > > This is *really* going to piss off the EDA vendors. XST has already > screwed Mentor, Synplicity, and Synopsys, and this will eventually do > more of the same. The interesting question here is whether Xilinx can > co-exist with the EDA industry, and what happens when the bust-up > comes. > > RickHi Rick, you are hard-mouth possible not without reason, well there are 2 sides always to the story :) I would say Xilinx does what it has todo in order to provide single and user friendly environment for its products. There are different approuches for the environment, the EDA tool integration, as far as I have seen its almost always an disaster and in many cases end of story Atmel FPGA FPSLIC stuff, that includes the vendor stuff and only a integration of those tools - its a real nightmare to use. It is also the reason why Atmels FPSLIC are not selling - the software is almost completly unuseable. Actel is the same story, a little better maybe, but again the EDA tools required in order to get the full toolchain working make the Actel software very hard to use. Xilinx and Altera both have almost all in one solutions and those are more friendly and are defenetly one key to success for the products. There are different customers and different wishes so I would say there should be 2 different options 1) ALL IN ONE VENDOR version that includes all the support for that vendor with all needed utilities 2) scripting environment for EDA tools from 3rd parties those 2 should be kept separate completly, all attempts to integrate the 3rd party EDA tools into single GUI have failed so far (IMHO) If Xilinx adds simulation support to the xilinx main GUI based environment that makes the environment better. If EDA tools from 3rd parties are still supported from scripting command line that would be sufficient and satisfy all the needs. Antti
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On 2005-03-02, Jim George <jimgeorge_@_gmail.com> wrote:> I guess the only downside to ISE 7 is that we bought ISE 6.3 just a few > weeks back :-(Is it licensed with the time based license? My impression is that free upgrades are possible during the one-year license period. I'll soon try if it is so, as we too purchased ISE license couple of months back.
Reply by ●March 2, 20052005-03-02
> > it seems that XILINX ISE7.1 is out. Anybody has goy his hands onit?> > Does it now use QT for the GUI?We've had a preview copy for a few days. I'm not sure what QT is, but the GUI looks to be the same as in previous releases. Tuukka Toivonen wrote:> On 2005-03-02, Jim George <jimgeorge_@_gmail.com> wrote: > > I guess the only downside to ISE 7 is that we bought ISE 6.3 justa few> > weeks back :-( > > Is it licensed with the time based license? My impression > is that free upgrades are possible during the one-year license > period. I'll soon try if it is so, as we too > purchased ISE license couple of months back.The bottom of the following page seems to imply you all are correct, although I'll warn you, it's huge (now 3 CD's). http://www.xilinx.com/xlnx/xil_sw_updates_home.jsp Marc
Reply by ●March 2, 20052005-03-02
On 2005-03-02, Marc Randolph <mrand@my-deja.com> wrote:>> Is it licensed with the time based license? My impression >> is that free upgrades are possible during the one-year license >> period. I'll soon try if it is so, as we too >> purchased ISE license couple of months back. > The bottom of the following page seems to imply you all are correct,Well, doesn't work for me. It just says "Our system records indicate you are not entitled to access the Xilinx CD Download at this time." I think the "free upgrades" include only service packs, at least with out license.
Reply by ●March 2, 20052005-03-02
Jim, Contact your FAE/hotline for upgrade. A 'few weeks' is not a good reason to not allow you to use the latest and best release. Austin Jim George wrote:> Uwe Bonnes wrote: > >> Hallo, >> >> it seems that XILINX ISE7.1 is out. Anybody has goy his hands on it? >> Does it now use QT for the GUI? Anybody using the Linux version? Is the >> WindU compatiblity layer gone? Any other comments? >> >> And when to expect Webpack 7.1? >> > > Xilinx.com says Webpack 7.1 should be out by March 2005. Any time > now... :-) > I'm excited to see that ISE will now include a simulator. I somehow > found ModelSim's interface rather clunky (I also dont make use of most > of the features it offers, like Tcl scripting), and I'd like to see how > ISE Simulator fares. Also, MXE's artificial speed limit makes > simulations more painful. > I guess the only downside to ISE 7 is that we bought ISE 6.3 just a > few weeks back :-( > -Jim
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Austin Lesea wrote:> Jim, > > Contact your FAE/hotline for upgrade. A 'few weeks' is not a good > reason to not allow you to use the latest and best release. > > Austin > > Jim George wrote:<snip>>> I guess the only downside to ISE 7 is that we bought ISE 6.3 just >> a few weeks back :-( >> -JimHi Austin, We purchased ISE 6.3 from Xilinx.com through the Xilinx University Program, there was no FAE involved. Is there someone else I can contact? Thank you. -Jim
