Finally... The last 4 days working with NIOS2 since I can't upgrade my subscription... ...or is there an opensource alternative like the "utnios" before? rick
good bye nios (o;
Started by ●June 26, 2005
Reply by ●June 26, 20052005-06-26
Jedi wrote:> Finally... > > The last 4 days working with NIOS2 since I can't upgrade > my subscription...Why ? are you a hobbyist ? In the Education, you should have no problem, since Altera policy is quite generous. In the Industry, the investment is modest and very much worth it IMO. If you are a hobbyist, I think the eval mode lets you generate systems that work for some time and / or in a tethered configuration ? I don't think there is today a better/cheaper/nicer SOPC environment than NIOSII, but it's a very personal opinion indeed. If you've used it, I'm sure you know what I mean :-) Bert Cuzeau
Reply by ●June 26, 20052005-06-26
info_ wrote:> Jedi wrote: > >> Finally... >> >> The last 4 days working with NIOS2 since I can't upgrade >> my subscription... > > > Why ? > are you a hobbyist ?No...company.. But according to "EBV" it is too expensive to open me up as a customer (o;> In the Education, you should have no problem, since Altera policy > is quite generous. > In the Industry, the investment is modest and very much worth it IMO. > > If you are a hobbyist, I think the eval mode lets you generate systems > that work for some time and / or in a tethered configuration ?I know that...but would not work in my case for building Linux tools.> > I don't think there is today a better/cheaper/nicer SOPC environment > than NIOSII, but it's a very personal opinion indeed. If you've > used it, I'm sure you know what I mean :-)rick
Reply by ●June 27, 20052005-06-27
Jedi wrote:> Finally... > > The last 4 days working with NIOS2 since I can't upgrade > my subscription... > > ...or is there an opensource alternative like the "utnios" before? > > > rickDid you look at www.opencores.org ? I don't think there is a nios replacement, but there sure are many alternatives ... Regards, rudi ============================================================= Rudolf Usselmann, ASICS World Services, http://www.asics.ws Your Partner for IP Cores, Design, Verification and Synthesis ****** Certified USB 2.0 HS OTG and HS Device IP Cores ******
Reply by ●June 27, 20052005-06-27
Rudolf Usselmann wrote:> Jedi wrote: > > >>Finally... >> >>The last 4 days working with NIOS2 since I can't upgrade >>my subscription... >> >>...or is there an opensource alternative like the "utnios" before? >> >> >>rick > > > Did you look at www.opencores.org ? >Of course (o;> I don't think there is a nios replacement, but there sure are > many alternatives ...Only have this old utnios design which based on nios32 and then the distribution was prohibited by Altera... But speaking of...has anybody ever done a CPU SOPC component? rick
Reply by ●June 27, 20052005-06-27
"Jedi" <me@aol.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:SnNve.45$v17.23@read3.inet.fi...> Rudolf Usselmann wrote: > > Jedi wrote: > >>Finally... > >> > >>The last 4 days working with NIOS2 since I can't upgrade > >>my subscription... > >> > >>...or is there an opensource alternative like the "utnios" before? > >> > >>rick > > > > Did you look at www.opencores.org ? > > > Of course (o; > > > I don't think there is a nios replacement, but there sure are > > many alternatives ... > > Only have this old utnios design which based on nios32 and then > the distribution was prohibited by Altera... > > But speaking of...has anybody ever done a CPU SOPC component? > > rickwhat you mean was prohibitied by Altera? utnios is is still available I just checked! What Altera DID try to prohibit was, well they told me that I can promote a sell NIOX - a NIOS-2 compatible core. So I removed the public links to NIOX from my website. there is nothing at opencores that could be used as nios-2 replacement, the only opensource environment that i would consider is LEON3/GRLIB, and that is not hosted on opencores. I have tried to make SOPC processors components and also EDK processor components with EDK I succeeded, I had a AVR processor that was possible to use in EDK/XPS with SOPC it should also be possible, actually it does exist, and is available from altera the Avalon microsequences, its a processor component for SOPC, with full sources, so you can use it as base to design your SOPC processors... antti news://news.openchip.org
Reply by ●June 27, 20052005-06-27
Antti Lukats wrote:> "Jedi" <me@aol.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:SnNve.45$v17.23@read3.inet.fi... > >>Rudolf Usselmann wrote: >> >>>Jedi wrote: >>> >>>>Finally... >>>> >>>>The last 4 days working with NIOS2 since I can't upgrade >>>>my subscription... >>>> >>>>...or is there an opensource alternative like the "utnios" before? >>>> >>>>rick >>> >>>Did you look at www.opencores.org ? >>> >> >>Of course (o; >> >> >>>I don't think there is a nios replacement, but there sure are >>>many alternatives ... >> >>Only have this old utnios design which based on nios32 and then >>the distribution was prohibited by Altera... >> >>But speaking of...has anybody ever done a CPU SOPC component? >> >>rick > > > what you mean was prohibitied by Altera? utnios is is still available I just > checked! >It was offline for a while..believe me (o; Yes..back at: http://www.eecg.toronto.edu/~plavec/utnios.html> What Altera DID try to prohibit was, well they told me that I can promote a > sell NIOX > - a NIOS-2 compatible core. So I removed the public links to NIOX from my > website. > > there is nothing at opencores that could be used as nios-2 replacement, the > only opensource > environment that i would consider is LEON3/GRLIB, and that is not hosted on > opencores.Did some tests with it...looks nice...> > I have tried to make SOPC processors components and also EDK processor > components > with EDK I succeeded, I had a AVR processor that was possible to use in > EDK/XPS > with SOPC it should also be possible, actually it does exist, and is > available from altera > the Avalon microsequences, its a processor component for SOPC, with full > sources, so > you can use it as base to design your SOPC processors...Gonna dig it out then...kiitoksia (o; rick
Reply by ●June 27, 20052005-06-27
Antti Lukats wrote:> "Jedi" <me@aol.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:SnNve.45$v17.23@read3.inet.fi... > >>Rudolf Usselmann wrote: >> >>>Jedi wrote: >>> >>>>Finally... >>>> >>>>The last 4 days working with NIOS2 since I can't upgrade >>>>my subscription... >>>> >>>>...or is there an opensource alternative like the "utnios" before? >>>> >>>>rick >>> >>>Did you look at www.opencores.org ? >>> >> >>Of course (o; >> >> >>>I don't think there is a nios replacement, but there sure are >>>many alternatives ... >> >>Only have this old utnios design which based on nios32 and then >>the distribution was prohibited by Altera... >> >>But speaking of...has anybody ever done a CPU SOPC component? >> >>rick > > > what you mean was prohibitied by Altera? utnios is is still available I just > checked! > > What Altera DID try to prohibit was, well they told me that I can promote a > sell NIOX > - a NIOS-2 compatible core. So I removed the public links to NIOX from my > website. > > there is nothing at opencores that could be used as nios-2 replacement, the > only opensource > environment that i would consider is LEON3/GRLIB, and that is not hosted on > opencores. > > I have tried to make SOPC processors components and also EDK processor > components > with EDK I succeeded, I had a AVR processor that was possible to use in > EDK/XPS > with SOPC it should also be possible, actually it does exist, and is > available from altera > the Avalon microsequences, its a processor component for SOPC, with full > sources, so > you can use it as base to design your SOPC processors...Oki..found it: http://www.altera.com/solutions/refdesigns/sys-sol/indust_mil/ref-avl-micro.html Hmm..Altera login broken? Didn't work for the whole weekend... rick
Reply by ●June 27, 20052005-06-27
Jedi, As I understand irt, the expiration of the Nios kit license does not prevent you from using Nios. You will not receive any additional subscription shipments, but you perpetually have a license to compile/ship a product with Nios using the last version that you received in your subscription. For Quartus the story is different; the dev kit edition of Quartus does expire. You might check Quartus web edition for continued use if you don't wish to renew your subscription. Jesse Kempa Altera jkempa -at- altera -dot- com
Reply by ●June 28, 20052005-06-28
