As of PLDA they are shipping __now__ their XpressFX board that has FX60 chip on board! Interesting though that there is no pricing or direct order for the XpressFX board so maybe PLDA is lying and they are not actually able to ship. http://xilant.com/content/view/18/1/ Antti
Virtex-4 FX60 based products are already shipping now !
Started by ●December 2, 2005
Reply by ●December 2, 20052005-12-02
Antii, it looks very interesting, but I do not beleave that. last week we had a meeting with a Silicas sales man and he told us that FX12 production device (I.e. not a CES part), likely to be on general availability end of Q1'06. FX20 production device (i.e. not CES), likely to be on general availability MidQ3'06 FX40 production device (i.e. not CES), likely to be on general availability Q3'06 Francesco Antti Lukats wrote:> As of PLDA they are shipping __now__ their XpressFX board that has FX60 chip > on board! Interesting though that there is no pricing or direct order for > the XpressFX board so maybe PLDA is lying and they are not actually able to > ship. > > http://xilant.com/content/view/18/1/ > > Antti
Reply by ●December 2, 20052005-12-02
<francesco_poderico@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:1133530924.724151.161830@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...> Antii, > it looks very interesting, but I do not beleave that. > last week we had a meeting with a Silicas sales man and he told us that > > FX12 production device (I.e. not a CES part), likely to be on general > availability end of Q1'06. > FX20 production device (i.e. not CES), likely to be on general > availability MidQ3'06 > FX40 production device (i.e. not CES), likely to be on general > availability Q3'06 > > Francesco >well yes that matches what I know as well: no MGT silicon via distribution til Q3'06 so thats exactly why those pictures of the FX60 based boards are so interesting. I know there are several compoanies with ready PCB waiting very badly for the FX60, and not getting them and not getting info when those parts could be available. And still PLDA claims immediate availability of their boards fitted with FX60! Antti
Reply by ●December 2, 20052005-12-02
At the end of the day it depends on who you are. If you are CIS** yes is usually the answer. John Adair Enterpoint Ltd. - Soon to be Home of Broaddown4. The Ultimate Virtex-4 Development Board. http://www.enterpoint.co.uk "Antti Lukats" <antti@openchip.org> wrote in message news:dmpjoi$clf$01$1@news.t-online.com...> <francesco_poderico@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:1133530924.724151.161830@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... >> Antii, >> it looks very interesting, but I do not beleave that. >> last week we had a meeting with a Silicas sales man and he told us that >> >> FX12 production device (I.e. not a CES part), likely to be on general >> availability end of Q1'06. >> FX20 production device (i.e. not CES), likely to be on general >> availability MidQ3'06 >> FX40 production device (i.e. not CES), likely to be on general >> availability Q3'06 >> >> Francesco >> > > well yes that matches what I know as well: no MGT silicon via distribution > til Q3'06 so thats exactly why those pictures of the FX60 based boards are > so interesting. I know there are several compoanies with ready PCB waiting > very badly for the FX60, and not getting them and not getting info when > those parts could be available. And still PLDA claims immediate > availability of their boards fitted with FX60! > > Antti >
Reply by ●December 2, 20052005-12-02
John, You bring up an interesting point. Yes, the squeaky wheel gets the grease (or in this case, the gorillas get the bananas). But, I had a strange thought: how many start-ups, consultants, etc. are there that need prototyping quantities (1 to 3 parts)? Does it make sense to have a program for smaller outfits (which are no less important to Xilinx, as CIS** was small once, too)? Is this the real case for web-based product availability? Austin
Reply by ●December 2, 20052005-12-02
"Austin Lesea" <austin@xilinx.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:dmptik$2ck5@xco-news.xilinx.com...> John, > > You bring up an interesting point. > > Yes, the squeaky wheel gets the grease (or in this case, the gorillas get > the bananas). > > But, I had a strange thought: how many start-ups, consultants, etc. are > there that need prototyping quantities (1 to 3 parts)? > > Does it make sense to have a program for smaller outfits (which are no > less important to Xilinx, as CIS** was small once, too)? > > Is this the real case for web-based product availability? > > Austin >Hi Austin, there are several companies to my knowledge waiting for 2 pieces of FX60 .. there are PCBs either manufactured or ready to go to production. so it is weird that those companies are unable to get the parts. its not required to the chips are available from web online, but customers working with leading edge technologies (V4 + PCIe 8 lane as example) and READY to test SHOULD get the silicon as EARLY as possible. Antti
Reply by ●December 2, 20052005-12-02
I must admit that given our size we generally do better at getting the silicon than most. I remember showing our Broaddown2 product at a large event, in a very large hotel, in SF, in May last year and lots of people hadn't seen a real Spartan-3 at that stage which was quite funny given the audience. We do get a very unusually perspective because we have worked with every kind of company from one man bands to the largest. We have sat in some very high level presentations (representing customer) getting actively involved with customer delivery and pricing and we do see the difference between small guys and the large ones. The point being we have seen accounts/designs to Xilinx, or Altera, lost because a small number of pieces of silicon are not made available at the right time. Often if a customer brings us in early enough we can help them in a number of ways and generally avoid the problem but we can only do the near impossible at best. There is a problem for the small customer in that distributors are not very interested if they fail the 80:20 rule generally applied out there. Sometime little guys turn out big and we have already a few of those within our customer base. Anything that eases the acquiring of silicon is a win win situation and we have won accounts in past with our own strategic silicon stock that we carry. That is more than most distributors are doing now. The Xilinx website sales are useful we have already pointed one UK customer at that for something we didn't have nor the local distributor. I would say more devices please even if they are at book price. John Adair Enterpoint Ltd. - Home of Broaddown2. The Ultimate Spartan3 Development Board. http://www.enterpoint.co.uk "Austin Lesea" <austin@xilinx.com> wrote in message news:dmptik$2ck5@xco-news.xilinx.com...> John, > > You bring up an interesting point. > > Yes, the squeaky wheel gets the grease (or in this case, the gorillas get > the bananas). > > But, I had a strange thought: how many start-ups, consultants, etc. are > there that need prototyping quantities (1 to 3 parts)? > > Does it make sense to have a program for smaller outfits (which are no > less important to Xilinx, as CIS** was small once, too)? > > Is this the real case for web-based product availability? > > Austin >
Reply by ●December 2, 20052005-12-02
John, Thank you, Austin John Adair wrote:> I must admit that given our size we generally do better at getting the > silicon than most. I remember showing our Broaddown2 product at a large > event, in a very large hotel, in SF, in May last year and lots of people > hadn't seen a real Spartan-3 at that stage which was quite funny given the > audience. > > We do get a very unusually perspective because we have worked with every > kind of company from one man bands to the largest. We have sat in some very > high level presentations (representing customer) getting actively involved > with customer delivery and pricing and we do see the difference between > small guys and the large ones. The point being we have seen accounts/designs > to Xilinx, or Altera, lost because a small number of pieces of silicon are > not made available at the right time. Often if a customer brings us in early > enough we can help them in a number of ways and generally avoid the problem > but we can only do the near impossible at best. > > There is a problem for the small customer in that distributors are not very > interested if they fail the 80:20 rule generally applied out there. Sometime > little guys turn out big and we have already a few of those within our > customer base. Anything that eases the acquiring of silicon is a win win > situation and we have won accounts in past with our own strategic silicon > stock that we carry. That is more than most distributors are doing now. The > Xilinx website sales are useful we have already pointed one UK customer at > that for something we didn't have nor the local distributor. I would say > more devices please even if they are at book price. > > John Adair > Enterpoint Ltd. - Home of Broaddown2. The Ultimate Spartan3 Development > Board. > http://www.enterpoint.co.uk > > > "Austin Lesea" <austin@xilinx.com> wrote in message > news:dmptik$2ck5@xco-news.xilinx.com... > >>John, >> >>You bring up an interesting point. >> >>Yes, the squeaky wheel gets the grease (or in this case, the gorillas get >>the bananas). >> >>But, I had a strange thought: how many start-ups, consultants, etc. are >>there that need prototyping quantities (1 to 3 parts)? >> >>Does it make sense to have a program for smaller outfits (which are no >>less important to Xilinx, as CIS** was small once, too)? >> >>Is this the real case for web-based product availability? >> >>Austin >> > > >
Reply by ●December 3, 20052005-12-03
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 08:43:00 -0800, Austin Lesea <austin@xilinx.com> wrote:>John, > >You bring up an interesting point. > >Yes, the squeaky wheel gets the grease (or in this case, the gorillas >get the bananas). > >But, I had a strange thought: how many start-ups, consultants, etc. are >there that need prototyping quantities (1 to 3 parts)? > >Does it make sense to have a program for smaller outfits (which are no >less important to Xilinx, as CIS** was small once, too)? > >Is this the real case for web-based product availability?A tube of 25 ES parts might mean nothing to CIS**, but could make a dozen startups very happy. Obviously you don't want to undermine distributors business, so you may have to severely limit quantities per user, or maybe come in 10% above book price, but 2-off samples for prototyping isn't the business they really want anyway (IME, from both sides of the corporation/hobbyist fence). I'll retract this when I start seeing PayPal buttons instead of (or even alongside) price enquiry registration forms on distributor websites. - Brian
Reply by ●December 5, 20052005-12-05
>But, I had a strange thought: how many start-ups, consultants, etc. are >there that need prototyping quantities (1 to 3 parts)? > >Does it make sense to have a program for smaller outfits (which are no >less important to Xilinx, as CIS** was small once, too)? > >Is this the real case for web-based product availability?I think there are two issues here. Do you want to encourage the small guys? Do you want them using bleeding edge parts? I think the answers are yes, and no. My view could easily be bogus. If you are asking about a program to get bleeding edge parts out to small companies/consultants, that seems reasonable, but somebody has to do the filtering to make sure they have a reasonable upside, they can tolerate your schedule slips and/or you can supply enough chips if/when they need them. If you just want to make mainstream parts available to small companies (and hackers or hobbyists) then I think the best thing you can do is to make them available through your online store or places like Digikey. I have a perfect application for a small Coolrunner-II. (I want to power the whole thing off the input signal.) Where can I get a few? With this hat, I'm just a hobbyist. Digikey doesn't carry them. Your online store doesn't have the small ones. A while ago they had the non-A small ones and the data sheet available on the same line of the web page said "not recommended for new designs". I'm guessing they pulled the old non-A versions and haven't replaced them with the new -A ones yet. I could probably use a big one. Cost isn't significant for only a few. Shipping in 2-3 weeks is far from great, but I can wait that long. It's just a hack. -- The suespammers.org mail server is located in California. So are all my other mailboxes. Please do not send unsolicited bulk e-mail or unsolicited commercial e-mail to my suespammers.org address or any of my other addresses. These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam.
