I already saw the message from Antti about '|' char on German keyboard. So I
installed WebPack 8.1 with some trepidation...
Sadly, *seems* that on XP SP2 with Italian keyboards almost NO control key
works.
Can some other guy verify this ?
I cannot write '@', '#', '[', ']', '{', '}'.. Imagine write verilog code!
CTRL-F doesn't work, also...
It doesn't work even in "float mode". Tried on three different machines,
at work and at home. Machines used different keyboards, and different levels
of update of XP.
Probably someting very stupid is going on... otherwise, Webpack 8.1 editor
(even with SP1) is useless, for an Italian user.
If this it's real... really makes me think Xilinx should honestly re-examine
its internal development process.
I noticed also many other annoying little things:
- "Ctrl" keys doesn't work also: forget about Ctrl-F to find some text.
- In float mode, "Replace" IS in the Edit menu (but NO quick icon), and
Ctrl-H doesn't work
- In float mode, "Find" is IS NOT in the Edit menu (but IS present as an
icon), and Ctrl-F doesn't work.
- Menu windows are sloooooooow... before appearing, a black filled rectangle
appears, then text comes. This on all the machines I tried. Fast machines.
- TAB sequence is screwed in the "New Source Wizard"... try writing a pin,
the press TAB to enter the following one... surprise! need to grab the
mouse.
All of this in the first ten minutes of playing. Very sad.
Sometimes I wonder if Xilinx developers really try to USE what they do, or
are they "just" using blind regression testing scripts in search of the last
1% of performance.
Performance is important, yes, but first address the "mundane" tasks!
Xilinx, usually your support is really second to none. It's one of the
reasons I prefer Xilinx over the A guys.
Please release an hotfix.... do not ask us Italian guys to wait months for
the next service pack...
Meanwhile, back to 7.1SP4, waiting for the next 3 service packs for 8.1 to
reach an "honest" level... Sigh.
[RANT] Webpack 8.1 editor totally messed up ?
Started by ●January 17, 2006
Reply by ●January 17, 20062006-01-17
"Antonio Pasini" <removethis_pasini.a@tin.it> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:43cd66bc$0$1087$4fafbaef@reader1.news.tin.it...>I already saw the message from Antti about '|' char on German keyboard. So >I installed WebPack 8.1 with some trepidation... > > Sadly, *seems* that on XP SP2 with Italian keyboards almost NO control key > works. > > Can some other guy verify this ? > > I cannot write '@', '#', '[', ']', '{', '}'.. Imagine write verilog > code! CTRL-F doesn't work, also... > > It doesn't work even in "float mode". Tried on three different machines, > at work and at home. Machines used different keyboards, and different > levels of update of XP. > > Probably someting very stupid is going on... otherwise, Webpack 8.1 editor > (even with SP1) is useless, for an Italian user. > > If this it's real... really makes me think Xilinx should honestly > re-examine its internal development process. > > I noticed also many other annoying little things: > > - "Ctrl" keys doesn't work also: forget about Ctrl-F to find some text. > - In float mode, "Replace" IS in the Edit menu (but NO quick icon), and > Ctrl-H doesn't work > - In float mode, "Find" is IS NOT in the Edit menu (but IS present as an > icon), and Ctrl-F doesn't work. > - Menu windows are sloooooooow... before appearing, a black filled > rectangle appears, then text comes. This on all the machines I tried. Fast > machines. > - TAB sequence is screwed in the "New Source Wizard"... try writing a pin, > the press TAB to enter the following one... surprise! need to grab the > mouse. > > All of this in the first ten minutes of playing. Very sad. > > Sometimes I wonder if Xilinx developers really try to USE what they do, or > are they "just" using blind regression testing scripts in search of the > last 1% of performance. > > Performance is important, yes, but first address the "mundane" tasks! > > Xilinx, usually your support is really second to none. It's one of the > reasons I prefer Xilinx over the A guys. > > Please release an hotfix.... do not ask us Italian guys to wait months for > the next service pack... > > Meanwhile, back to 7.1SP4, waiting for the next 3 service packs for 8.1 to > reach an "honest" level... Sigh. > >Hi after verifying the hot keys in 'flaot mode' I was a bit 'breathing' as it is a workaround, until I tried the | in float mode - and that doesnt work in float mode either - so we can say it is confirmed the ISE 8.1 built in editor is useless for non US keyboard users :( well I still use my notepad.exe trick to copy the | into clipboard when I need it, but I guess others are defenetly not willing to use this kind of workarounds Antti
Reply by ●January 18, 20062006-01-18
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:00:54 +0100, "Antti Lukats" <antti@openchip.org> wrote:>"Antonio Pasini" <removethis_pasini.a@tin.it> schrieb im Newsbeitrag >news:43cd66bc$0$1087$4fafbaef@reader1.news.tin.it...<snip>> >Hi > >after verifying the hot keys in 'flaot mode' I was a bit 'breathing' as it >is a workaround, until I tried the > >| > >in float mode - and that doesnt work in float mode either - so we can say it >is confirmed the ISE 8.1 built in editor is useless for non US keyboard >users :( > >well I still use my notepad.exe trick to copy the | into clipboard when I >need it, but I guess others are defenetly not willing to use this kind of >workarounds > >Antti >I am using WebPack 8.1 with an Spanish keyboard, and have not found yet any such problem (other problems, yes, but I have not rechecked against SP1, so I will not disclose them). Zara
Reply by ●January 18, 20062006-01-18
Antti Lukats wrote:> "Antonio Pasini" <removethis_pasini.a@tin.it> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:43cd66bc$0$1087$4fafbaef@reader1.news.tin.it... > >>I already saw the message from Antti about '|' char on German keyboard. So >>I installed WebPack 8.1 with some trepidation... >> >>Sadly, *seems* that on XP SP2 with Italian keyboards almost NO control key >>works. >> >>Can some other guy verify this ? >> >>I cannot write '@', '#', '[', ']', '{', '}'.. Imagine write verilog >>code! CTRL-F doesn't work, also... >> >>It doesn't work even in "float mode". Tried on three different machines, >>at work and at home. Machines used different keyboards, and different >>levels of update of XP. >> >>Probably someting very stupid is going on... otherwise, Webpack 8.1 editor >>(even with SP1) is useless, for an Italian user. >> >>If this it's real... really makes me think Xilinx should honestly >>re-examine its internal development process. >> >>I noticed also many other annoying little things: >> >>- "Ctrl" keys doesn't work also: forget about Ctrl-F to find some text. >>- In float mode, "Replace" IS in the Edit menu (but NO quick icon), and >>Ctrl-H doesn't work >>- In float mode, "Find" is IS NOT in the Edit menu (but IS present as an >>icon), and Ctrl-F doesn't work. >>- Menu windows are sloooooooow... before appearing, a black filled >>rectangle appears, then text comes. This on all the machines I tried. Fast >>machines. >>- TAB sequence is screwed in the "New Source Wizard"... try writing a pin, >>the press TAB to enter the following one... surprise! need to grab the >>mouse. >> >>All of this in the first ten minutes of playing. Very sad. >> >>Sometimes I wonder if Xilinx developers really try to USE what they do, or >>are they "just" using blind regression testing scripts in search of the >>last 1% of performance. >> >>Performance is important, yes, but first address the "mundane" tasks! >> >>Xilinx, usually your support is really second to none. It's one of the >>reasons I prefer Xilinx over the A guys. >> >>Please release an hotfix.... do not ask us Italian guys to wait months for >>the next service pack... >> >>Meanwhile, back to 7.1SP4, waiting for the next 3 service packs for 8.1 to >>reach an "honest" level... Sigh. >> >> > > > Hi > > after verifying the hot keys in 'flaot mode' I was a bit 'breathing' as it > is a workaround, until I tried the > > | > > in float mode - and that doesnt work in float mode either - so we can say it > is confirmed the ISE 8.1 built in editor is useless for non US keyboard > users :( > > well I still use my notepad.exe trick to copy the | into clipboard when I > need it, but I guess others are defenetly not willing to use this kind of > workarounds > > Antti > > > >Isn't it still possible to define your own external (favorite) editor in ISE as it was before? In 7.1 it was done in Edit/Preferences dialog. That is, when double clicking on a file in the 'Sources in Project:'-view the code was opened in your predefined editor. I've been doing this for quite a long time since I never really liked the ISE editor... Another workaround could be to install the american keyboard layout (which I'm using in my external editor since some common characters are more accessable than on the swedish keyboard). A simple alt+left shift in windows swaps the layout from your native one to the american one.. As for me I havn't installed ISE 8.1i yet since I'm waiting for EDK... -- ----------------------------------------------- Johan Bernsp�ng, xjohbex@xfoix.se Research engineer Swedish Defence Research Agency - FOI Division of Command & Control Systems Department of Electronic Warfare Systems www.foi.se Please remove the x's in the email address if replying to me personally. -----------------------------------------------
Reply by ●January 18, 20062006-01-18
"Zara" <yozara@terra.es> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:39srs1pib0md5de88dnea8uds2gun9ba5i@4ax.com...> On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:00:54 +0100, "Antti Lukats" > <antti@openchip.org> wrote: > >>"Antonio Pasini" <removethis_pasini.a@tin.it> schrieb im Newsbeitrag >>news:43cd66bc$0$1087$4fafbaef@reader1.news.tin.it... > <snip> >> >>Hi >> >>after verifying the hot keys in 'flaot mode' I was a bit 'breathing' as it >>is a workaround, until I tried the >> >>| >> >>in float mode - and that doesnt work in float mode either - so we can say >>it >>is confirmed the ISE 8.1 built in editor is useless for non US keyboard >>users :( >> >>well I still use my notepad.exe trick to copy the | into clipboard when I >>need it, but I guess others are defenetly not willing to use this kind of >>workarounds >> >>Antti >> > > I am using WebPack 8.1 with an Spanish keyboard, and have not found > yet any such problem (other problems, yes, but I have not rechecked > against SP1, so I will not disclose them). > > Zaralucky you! the issues with the editor are the same SP1 or not, on my machine the 'alternate ALT' key labelled "Alt Gr" does not work in ISE editor and as this key is used to make | then it makes difficulties -- Antti Lukats http://www.xilant.com
Reply by ●January 18, 20062006-01-18
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:08:43 +0100, "Antti Lukats" <antti@openchip.org> wrote:>"Zara" <yozara@terra.es> schrieb im Newsbeitrag >news:39srs1pib0md5de88dnea8uds2gun9ba5i@4ax.com... >> On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:00:54 +0100, "Antti Lukats" >> <antti@openchip.org> wrote: >> >>>"Antonio Pasini" <removethis_pasini.a@tin.it> schrieb im Newsbeitrag >>>news:43cd66bc$0$1087$4fafbaef@reader1.news.tin.it... >> <snip> >>> >>>Hi >>> >>>after verifying the hot keys in 'flaot mode' I was a bit 'breathing' as it >>>is a workaround, until I tried the >>> >>>| >>> >>>in float mode - and that doesnt work in float mode either - so we can say >>>it >>>is confirmed the ISE 8.1 built in editor is useless for non US keyboard >>>users :( >>> >>>well I still use my notepad.exe trick to copy the | into clipboard when I >>>need it, but I guess others are defenetly not willing to use this kind of >>>workarounds >>> >>>Antti >>> >> >> I am using WebPack 8.1 with an Spanish keyboard, and have not found >> yet any such problem (other problems, yes, but I have not rechecked >> against SP1, so I will not disclose them). >> >> Zara > >lucky you! > >the issues with the editor are the same SP1 or not, on my machine >the 'alternate ALT' key labelled >"Alt Gr" >does not work in ISE editor and as this key is used to make >| >then it makes difficultiesOk, yes you are right. Control combinations work, but Alt Gr don't, as you say. The problem is I don't use | much, so I didn't notice it. And I have just discovered a real nuisance/error: I have a "repository project" (somewhre I have all cores designed for EDK, together with thier test benches"): From the momet I added 15th VHDL module and 7th VHDL Test bench, Check Syntax fails with nes Module without giving and error identifying the lien of the error, and ModelSim is executed with another different testbench from the last one added. That much for new ISE's! Keeping up with Xilnx is a reall PITA. Best regards, Zara
Reply by ●January 18, 20062006-01-18
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:03:50 +0100, Johan Bernsp�ng <xjohbex@xfoix.se> wrote:>Antti Lukats wrote: >> "Antonio Pasini" <removethis_pasini.a@tin.it> schrieb im Newsbeitrag >> news:43cd66bc$0$1087$4fafbaef@reader1.news.tin.it... >><snip>> >Isn't it still possible to define your own external (favorite) editor in >ISE as it was before? In 7.1 it was done in Edit/Preferences dialog. >That is, when double clicking on a file in the 'Sources in >Project:'-view the code was opened in your predefined editor. I've been >doing this for quite a long time since I never really liked the ISE >editor... > >Another workaround could be to install the american keyboard layout >(which I'm using in my external editor since some common characters are >more accessable than on the swedish keyboard). A simple alt+left shift >in windows swaps the layout from your native one to the american one.. > >As for me I havn't installed ISE 8.1i yet since I'm waiting for EDK...It is possible to define an external text editor...but it will not work!. problems with file paths, I think. Zara
Reply by ●January 18, 20062006-01-18
Zara wrote:>>Isn't it still possible to define your own external (favorite) editor in >>ISE as it was before? In 7.1 it was done in Edit/Preferences dialog. >>That is, when double clicking on a file in the 'Sources in >>Project:'-view the code was opened in your predefined editor. I've been >>doing this for quite a long time since I never really liked the ISE >>editor... >> >>Another workaround could be to install the american keyboard layout >>(which I'm using in my external editor since some common characters are >>more accessable than on the swedish keyboard). A simple alt+left shift >>in windows swaps the layout from your native one to the american one.. >> >>As for me I havn't installed ISE 8.1i yet since I'm waiting for EDK... > > > It is possible to define an external text editor...but it will not > work!. problems with file paths, I think. > > ZaraWell, it works for me. I use, for instance, Crimson Editor. Thus I've set the Editors preferences to Custom and the command line syntax to cedt.exe $1. That opens any code file in my projects in that editor. -- ----------------------------------------------- Johan Bernsp�ng, xjohbex@xfoix.se Research engineer Swedish Defence Research Agency - FOI Division of Command & Control Systems Department of Electronic Warfare Systems www.foi.se Please remove the x's in the email address if replying to me personally. -----------------------------------------------
Reply by ●January 18, 20062006-01-18
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:12:45 +0100, Johan Bernsp�ng <xjohbex@xfoix.se> wrote:>Zara wrote: >>>Isn't it still possible to define your own external (favorite) editor in >>>ISE as it was before? In 7.1 it was done in Edit/Preferences dialog. >>>That is, when double clicking on a file in the 'Sources in >>>Project:'-view the code was opened in your predefined editor. I've been >>>doing this for quite a long time since I never really liked the ISE >>>editor... >>> >>>Another workaround could be to install the american keyboard layout >>>(which I'm using in my external editor since some common characters are >>>more accessable than on the swedish keyboard). A simple alt+left shift >>>in windows swaps the layout from your native one to the american one.. >>> >>>As for me I havn't installed ISE 8.1i yet since I'm waiting for EDK... >> >> >> It is possible to define an external text editor...but it will not >> work!. problems with file paths, I think. >> >> Zara > >Well, it works for me. I use, for instance, Crimson Editor. Thus I've >set the Editors preferences to Custom and the command line syntax to >cedt.exe $1. That opens any code file in my projects in that editor.I use (in 7.1) crimson editor, cedt $1 -l:$2. But when I use it in 8.1, with files *outside* the main project path, it fails, because the file name passed to editor is "project path"\"file path"\"filename". File path is OK with a file in the same folder as the project, because it is empty. On all other cases, file path is an absolutte path,and the result is invalid, of the sort: "c:\myproject\c:\myotherproject\musource.vhdl" And I do like to use folders to classify information, I hate flat "all-in-one-folder" projects. Bets regards Zara PS: As soon as I have alittel time to do it, I intend to file a bug to Xilinx. But time is scarce.
Reply by ●January 18, 20062006-01-18
Zara wrote:> I use (in 7.1) crimson editor, cedt $1 -l:$2. > > But when I use it in 8.1, with files *outside* the main project path, > it fails, because the file name passed to editor is "project > path"\"file path"\"filename". File path is OK with a file in the same > folder as the project, because it is empty. On all other cases, file > path is an absolutte path,and the result is invalid, of the sort: > > "c:\myproject\c:\myotherproject\musource.vhdl" > > And I do like to use folders to classify information, I hate flat > "all-in-one-folder" projects. > > Bets regards > > Zara > > PS: As soon as I have alittel time to do it, I intend to file a bug to > Xilinx. But time is scarce.ah, I see... hopefully Xilinx has fixed that by the time EDK sees the daylight. -- ----------------------------------------------- Johan Bernsp�ng, xjohbex@xfoix.se Research engineer Swedish Defence Research Agency - FOI Division of Command & Control Systems Department of Electronic Warfare Systems www.foi.se Please remove the x's in the email address if replying to me personally. -----------------------------------------------
