Re: for all those who believe in ASICs....

fpga_toys@yahoo.com wrote:

> on a $100 wafer with 100 parts,

Wafer costs for leading edge processes were way over $100 in the
1980's when I was working in the semiconductor manufacturing business.
A quick google gets me:

http://www.icknowledge.com/economics/WaferCosts2005.html

Making leading edge chips is not cheap.


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Phil Hays

Phil Hays wrote:
> fpga_toys@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > on a $100 wafer with 100 parts,
>
> Wafer costs for leading edge processes were way over $100 in the
> 1980's when I was working in the semiconductor manufacturing business.
> A quick google gets me:
>
> http://www.icknowledge.com/economics/WaferCosts2005.html
>
> Making leading edge chips is not cheap.


We all know that ... I choose a nice round number to do math with ...
that's all ...

The whole point is that perfectly good FPGA's aren't cheap ... and to
dump them without testing them at 80% off, is dumping high value
product below it's full value.

John,

How much is Altera paying you?

Austin

Are we continuing this thread until John (aka Mr Toy) has made a
complete fool of himself ?
His ranting is neither coherent nor entertaining or amusing anymore.
Peter Alfke

OK,

I agree.

I'm off to doing more useful things.

Austin

Peter Alfke wrote:

> Are we continuing this thread until John (aka Mr Toy) has made a
> complete fool of himself ?
> His ranting is neither coherent nor entertaining or amusing anymore.
> Peter Alfke
> 

Peter Alfke wrote:
> Are we continuing this thread until John (aka Mr Toy) has made a
> complete fool of himself ?

Ahh Peter .... you always run away shouting insults just when it's
getting fun.

> His ranting is neither coherent nor entertaining or amusing anymore.

You haven't explained yet why throwing millions of dollars into the
trash can provides your stock holders the best possible ROI for money
spent on usable silicon with a very viable secondardy market willing to
do defect management?

In every other industry that's faced valuable high defect product
decisions, the've tossed the zero defect bitots out, to push up the
bottom line. Hopefully even Xilinx will reach the point that the zero
defect incompetents are no longer supportable or promotable. Anything
that increases Xilinx's sales without additional costs, can only
improve the bottom line, and hopefully for customers lower the prices
on other products that have had to carry the burden of the zero defect
bigots waste.

Austin Lesea wrote:
> John,
>
> How much is Altera paying you?

Gee ... I've found that playing Devils Advocate would get me paid ....
how much should I be asking?

Austin Lesea wrote:
> John,
>
> How much is Altera paying you?

Next time you are in Longmont drop me a note, and take me to lunch :)

Maybe some face to face time will allow the petty BS to fade away.

fpga_toys@yahoo.com wrote:
> Austin Lesea wrote:
> > How much is Altera paying you?
> Next time you are in Longmont drop me a note, and take me to lunch :)
> Maybe some face to face time will allow the petty BS to fade away.

Be sure and bring a briefcase full (about 4K) of the reject XC4VLX200
parts so I can stay busy building the next version of my home
reconfigurable super computer :) That ought to keep me busy and off CAF
for several months, if not a year :)

It might even give Xilinx some usable marketing collateral when I'm
done, and we can talk about buying reject parts for profit afterward
too!!

John,

Just wanted to be sure you were not on their pay roll.

I have been made a fool of once before thinking I was talking to a 
potential customer when it was someone who was an actual competing 
company employee...boy did I feel stupid.

Austin