Urgent Help Needed!!!!!

Peter Alfke wrote:
> So, as long as you guys are interested in learning from us older folks,
> let's stay with "King's English", or the American derivative.

As Texas governor Miriam Amanda "Ma" Ferguson is reported to have said,
"If the King's English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for
us."

The cultural and class bigotry in this tread is appalling. If some of
the OLD TIMERS in this group wish to be mentors, they first need to
learn to be a bit more flexible, and not riddicule and insult others at
the drop of a hat.

This is not a native US born and educated form. It has many posters
struggling to communicate in a non-native foriegn language based on
language skills learned in chat rooms, IRC's, and a number of other
forums.

This list also includes posters like myself that are dyslexic, and find
it extremely difficult to proof our own writings because misspellings,
transpositions, missing/wrong characters and words are all "corrected"
incorrectly by our brains as we reread our own work.

Spelling and grammar flame wars like this thread are nothing short of
bigotry.

That is complete nonsense.

The OP comes from a country in which English is widely used claiming
more good speakers than the country that gave it to them. Nobody is
offended  by the minor grammatical and typos error some of us make more
often than others. People don't hear accents here.  I also get
confused between UK and US English, and often use google for spell
checking.

What this thread is about is very simple, "deliberate" unnecessary
destruction of a language that can only confuse people who trully are
having problems learning the language. If all they see is the terse
cell phone encodings, that is hardly going to help them with their own
English, they might even come to think that i,u,ur are acceptable.

If I were to visit any non English speaking country and talk or write
in jibberesh as if I should be understood when I could as easily speak
or write better, I wouldn't expect a great reception. I am also quite
used to having my own written English corrected by non native speakers.

But we are just repeating ourselves.

John Jakson

JJ wrote:
> That is complete nonsense.

It's a VERY common form of TECH SPEAK used on every BBS, Chat, and IRC
system.

It doesn't matter where the poster was from, the nature and intent of
the post would make any non-english poster firmly feel unwelcome.

Maybe we need to be politically correct in this global formun, at take
the top 52 languages and use one a week, or month, or year.

John

fpga_toys@yahoo.com wrote:
> The cultural and class bigotry in this tread is appalling. If some of
> the OLD TIMERS in this group wish to be mentors, they first need to
> learn to be a bit more flexible, and not riddicule and insult others at
> the drop of a hat.

Flexibility is in the eye of the beholder.  It's insulting to see 
language - any language - needlessly butchered.  As many others on this 
forum, I have sincere respect for those who don't know the nuances of 
English but try to communicate in this second (or third or forth) 
langauge.  There is no need for mentors to put up with disrespect. 
Disrespect is what it is, plain and simple.  Bcoz u cant tolr8 r 
annoyance with eye cancer doesn't mean we need to be tolerant of 
purposful butchering.  If the post is MADE from a cell phone, I'd 
personally be willing to give some leeway.

Given the strong support from so many who don't regularly contribute to 
threads of a more personal nature, the shorthand just isn't welcome. 
I've seen now 2 posts in mild support of gibberish, the majority against.

> This is not a native US born and educated form. It has many posters
> struggling to communicate in a non-native foriegn language based on
> language skills learned in chat rooms, IRC's, and a number of other
> forums.

If we had a hint that the poster wasn't an english speaker, the 
tolerance would be greater; the posts read as if the individual was a 
native english speaker.  If English is not their first language and chat 
is the second language, I applaud the original poster for being able to 
otherwise communicate rather well; I seriously doubt this is the case.

> This list also includes posters like myself that are dyslexic, and find
> it extremely difficult to proof our own writings because misspellings,
> transpositions, missing/wrong characters and words are all "corrected"
> incorrectly by our brains as we reread our own work.

Misspellings and transpositions are easy to deal with especially for 
anyone who has dealt with a tremendous amount of chat and email over the 
development of the internet.  The issue is a lack of desire to put any 
respect into the communication.

> Spelling and grammar flame wars like this thread are nothing short of
> bigotry.

The issue isn't spelling (there were no unintentional spelling 
mistakes).  The issue isn't grammar (the "cool" chat appreviations were 
in well constructed sentences).  The issue is about communication and 
any level of respect for the communication medium - the English 
langauge.  Dyslexics and foreign language posters still have respect for 
language.


SO, are you trying to agitate again this late in the thread?  Are you 
trying to be the devils' advocate to help out the mentors on this board 
or are you becoming an ass again?  I do love to start my morning being 
pissed; if that's your goal, you succeed rather well.

John_H wrote:
> SO, are you trying to agitate again this late in the thread?  Are you
> trying to be the devils' advocate to help out the mentors on this board
> or are you becoming an ass again?  I do love to start my morning being
> pissed; if that's your goal, you succeed rather well.

Just being a devils advocate here, partly because I have a terrible
time with my dyslexia when I'm tired or stressed and frequently get
flamed for it, and just so you can be a bigot again.

Tech speak, is part of this segment of the electronic world ... as I
say ... get used to it. Feel free not to answer posters in tech speak
... they will appreciate the increased civility with the lack of your
bitching.

Bitching about tech speak I find pretty lame. There are enough other
forms of tech speak frequently used by posters in CAF.  ROTF, IANAL,
LOL, :), :^)  .... how many people wish to have a few ass's bitching
everytime they use part of this technical chat room language style?

Not many I suspect ....

<fpga_toys@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1142870547.165588.256280@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> John_H wrote:
>> SO, are you trying to agitate again this late in the thread?  Are you
>> trying to be the devils' advocate to help out the mentors on this board
>> or are you becoming an ass again?  I do love to start my morning being
>> pissed; if that's your goal, you succeed rather well.
>
> Just being a devils advocate here, partly because I have a terrible
> time with my dyslexia when I'm tired or stressed and frequently get
> flamed for it, and just so you can be a bigot again.
>
> Tech speak, is part of this segment of the electronic world ... as I
> say ... get used to it. Feel free not to answer posters in tech speak
> ... they will appreciate the increased civility with the lack of your
> bitching.

Congrats on being the first to push me into figuring out how to work the 
kill file.
If all you do is rant, you have no place in my readings.
I have not seen you ask for help on this forum.
I have not seen you provide answers on this forum.
You may have done both but my recollection is only ranting.
If you choose to still think of me as a bigot because I think you and 
deliberately bad english have no place on this forum, feel free.

- John Handwork
fed up with John Bass 

fpga_toys@yahoo.com writes:
> The cultural and class bigotry in this tread is appalling. If some of

There are some people doing appalling things in this thread, but I don't
think we would be likely to agree on who is doing them.

fpga_toys@yahoo.com wrote:


> Just being a devils advocate here, partly because I have a terrible
> time with my dyslexia ...
...
> Tech speak, is part of this segment of the electronic world ... as I
> say ... get used to it.

Making mistakes is one part. A totally different part is using "a 
different language".

100 years ago it was a sign of high education to speak French during the 
meal. At this time it was also common to discuss scientific topics in 
German. Today it is "cool" to use these abbreviations. What comes next? 
L33t?

And - IMHO - what you call "tech speak" is chatting about some popular 
technical topics with a friend living next door. It is not a 
(scientific) discussion.

English as the world's communication language is a gift, because it is 
not a too hard and for a lot of people a quite easy language. Don't make 
it difficult.


Again: Mistakes happen. I can imagine, that this is especially hard for 
you, but everybody will notice, that mistakes are "random" (in contrast 
to the discussed abbreviations) and if you mention your dyslexia most 
people will understand that. (If not call them idiots and ignore them.)

Ralf