Over the years I have gotten a lot of junk email from Xilinx to email addresses that I have given out only to support and never to any marketing channel. I have always been disappointed that Xilinx has done this. But now they have sunk to a new low, they are giving or selling my email address to third party junk emailers. I guess I should not be surprised at this since it is getting to be the norm rather than the exception. Everyone seems to think it is perfectly ok to post a non-"privacy" statement saying in typical crypto-speak that they share your information with anyone that suits them. I have found that if I contact a vendor directly and say I want to opt out of their "privacy" policy and they should not share my info with anyone at all, they will honor this. But why is this necessary? Why can't a privacy policy be a PRIVACY policy and not a NON-privacy policy? Am I alone in being irritated by these practices?
Just a matter of time
Started by ●October 4, 2006
Reply by ●October 5, 20062006-10-05
rickman wrote:> Over the years I have gotten a lot of junk email from Xilinx to email > addresses that I have given out only to support and never to any > marketing channel. I have always been disappointed that Xilinx has > done this. But now they have sunk to a new low, they are giving or > selling my email address to third party junk emailers. > > I guess I should not be surprised at this since it is getting to be the > norm rather than the exception. Everyone seems to think it is > perfectly ok to post a non-"privacy" statement saying in typical > crypto-speak that they share your information with anyone that suits > them. I have found that if I contact a vendor directly and say I want > to opt out of their "privacy" policy and they should not share my info > with anyone at all, they will honor this. But why is this necessary? > Why can't a privacy policy be a PRIVACY policy and not a NON-privacy > policy? > > Am I alone in being irritated by these practices? >I get so much spam anyway whatever comes from such sources is just trivial. I hope oneday spammers will get their just deserts. Death is too good for them. -Dave -- David Ashley http://www.xdr.com/dash Embedded linux, device drivers, system architecture
Reply by ●October 5, 20062006-10-05
David Ashley wrote:> rickman wrote: >> Over the years I have gotten a lot of junk email from Xilinx to email >> addresses that I have given out only to support and never to any >> marketing channel. I have always been disappointed that Xilinx has >> done this. But now they have sunk to a new low, they are giving or >> selling my email address to third party junk emailers. >> >> I guess I should not be surprised at this since it is getting to be the >> norm rather than the exception. Everyone seems to think it is >> perfectly ok to post a non-"privacy" statement saying in typical >> crypto-speak that they share your information with anyone that suits >> them. I have found that if I contact a vendor directly and say I want >> to opt out of their "privacy" policy and they should not share my info >> with anyone at all, they will honor this. But why is this necessary? >> Why can't a privacy policy be a PRIVACY policy and not a NON-privacy >> policy? >> >> Am I alone in being irritated by these practices? >> > > I get so much spam anyway whatever comes from such sources is > just trivial. I hope oneday spammers will get their just deserts. > Death is too good for them. > > -Dave >Is that why they invented wood-chippers? -- Cecil KD5NWA www.qrpradio.com www.hpsdr.com "Sacred Cows make the best Hamburger!" Don Seglio Batuna
Reply by ●October 5, 20062006-10-05
rickman schrieb:> Over the years I have gotten a lot of junk email from Xilinx to email > addresses that I have given out only to support and never to any > marketing channel. I have always been disappointed that Xilinx has > done this. But now they have sunk to a new low, they are giving or > selling my email address to third party junk emailers.I see that too. I think it is bad business practice. It does not make me feel that I can share sensitive information with them in a webcase or similar. And who knows whom Foundation ISE sends your source codes to. If a company sees cloak and dagger methods as part of their business model you can not trust them anymore. Kolja Sulimma
Reply by ●October 5, 20062006-10-05
Kolja Sulimma schrieb:> rickman schrieb: > > Over the years I have gotten a lot of junk email from Xilinx to email > > addresses that I have given out only to support and never to any > > marketing channel. I have always been disappointed that Xilinx has > > done this. But now they have sunk to a new low, they are giving or > > selling my email address to third party junk emailers. > > I see that too. > I think it is bad business practice. It does not make me feel that I can > share sensitive information with them in a webcase or similar. > > And who knows whom Foundation ISE sends your source codes to. > If a company sees cloak and dagger methods as part of their business > model you can not trust them anymore. > > Kolja Sulimmaand did you notice that in ISE 8.2 there is now also a WEB-TALKBACK feature that ask you to submit your design statistics to Xilinx !? (similar to Altera software) however if in Altera enabling the talkback enables the free use of jtag logic analyzer features then the talkback in Xilinx is simple additional burden for you and you get nothing in return ! Antti
Reply by ●October 5, 20062006-10-05
Rickman, you can be sure that I will chase this all the way up and down the Xilinx management chain! Peter Alfke, from home rickman wrote:> Over the years I have gotten a lot of junk email from Xilinx to email > addresses that I have given out only to support and never to any > marketing channel. I have always been disappointed that Xilinx has > done this. But now they have sunk to a new low, they are giving or > selling my email address to third party junk emailers. > > I guess I should not be surprised at this since it is getting to be the > norm rather than the exception. Everyone seems to think it is > perfectly ok to post a non-"privacy" statement saying in typical > crypto-speak that they share your information with anyone that suits > them. I have found that if I contact a vendor directly and say I want > to opt out of their "privacy" policy and they should not share my info > with anyone at all, they will honor this. But why is this necessary? > Why can't a privacy policy be a PRIVACY policy and not a NON-privacy > policy? > > Am I alone in being irritated by these practices?
Reply by ●October 5, 20062006-10-05
rickman wrote:> Over the years I have gotten a lot of junk email from Xilinx to email > addresses that I have given out only to support and never to any > marketing channel.Get thunderbird (it's free) and turn on the junk mail controls (they work well) Most vendors set email defaults=ON in the fine print whenever I fill out a registration form. I no longer even bother trying to shut these things off. I just click the Junk button on Thunderbird when I get the first email. From then on, it all goes directly to a junk folder for 14 days and then is converted to wood chips. -- Mike Treseler note to vendors: When I need something from you, I check your web site, not my old emails. Drop the email spew, and use the money to get new information to your websites quickly, where I can find it easily, and without filling out more forms.
Reply by ●October 5, 20062006-10-05
Mike Treseler wrote: <snip>> note to vendors: > > When I need something from you, I check your > web site, not my old emails. Drop the > email spew, and use the money to get new > information to your websites quickly, > where I can find it easily, and without filling > out more forms.right on. i have recieved no junk from altera, but somehow i'm getting junk from xilinix, even though the web download of the fpga tool failed. do they think i am that impressed that they need to promote me to use their stuff? http://indi.joox.net altera all the way. cheers p.s. even lattice are better on the speil side with no excess shite.
Reply by ●October 5, 20062006-10-05
Antti wrote:> Kolja Sulimma schrieb: > > >>rickman schrieb: >> >>>Over the years I have gotten a lot of junk email from Xilinx to email >>>addresses that I have given out only to support and never to any >>>marketing channel. I have always been disappointed that Xilinx has >>>done this. But now they have sunk to a new low, they are giving or >>>selling my email address to third party junk emailers. >> >>I see that too. >>I think it is bad business practice. It does not make me feel that I can >>share sensitive information with them in a webcase or similar. >> >>And who knows whom Foundation ISE sends your source codes to. >>If a company sees cloak and dagger methods as part of their business >>model you can not trust them anymore. >> >>Kolja Sulimma > > > and did you notice that in ISE 8.2 there is now also a WEB-TALKBACK > feature that ask you to submit your design statistics to Xilinx !? > (similar to Altera software) > > however if in Altera enabling the talkback enables the free use of jtag > logic analyzer features then the talkback in Xilinx is simple > additional burden for you and you get nothing in return ! > > Antti >Because ISE uses the IE ActiveX control (on Windoze), it is source blocked from any internet access on this system. They don't feel the need on Linux, (obviously, because it doesn't exist) so why use it on Windoze? Hint: ActiveX _is_ the problem. Any process that uses the IE activeX controls is blocked from access in both directions, so it's not just Xilinx, but it does seem silly. Why not just invoke web requests through $BROWSER? So - no, Xilinx gets no statistics from me, even though I might actually be willing to share. Cheers PeteS
Reply by ●October 5, 20062006-10-05
Thanks Peter. Of all the things a vendor can do to tick me off, spam is pretty high on the list. I would really appreciate any help in getting Xilinx to stop this. I once received similar junk email to an address I had given only to Altera. When I contacted them they had no idea how it was given out, or at least that is what they told me. So Xilinx is not alone. Peter Alfke wrote:> Rickman, you can be sure that I will chase this all the way up and down > the Xilinx management chain! > Peter Alfke, from home > > rickman wrote: > > Over the years I have gotten a lot of junk email from Xilinx to email > > addresses that I have given out only to support and never to any > > marketing channel. I have always been disappointed that Xilinx has > > done this. But now they have sunk to a new low, they are giving or > > selling my email address to third party junk emailers. > > > > I guess I should not be surprised at this since it is getting to be the > > norm rather than the exception. Everyone seems to think it is > > perfectly ok to post a non-"privacy" statement saying in typical > > crypto-speak that they share your information with anyone that suits > > them. I have found that if I contact a vendor directly and say I want > > to opt out of their "privacy" policy and they should not share my info > > with anyone at all, they will honor this. But why is this necessary? > > Why can't a privacy policy be a PRIVACY policy and not a NON-privacy > > policy? > > > > Am I alone in being irritated by these practices?
