rickman wrote:> Personally, I don't care one way or another how people post, I'm not > interested in getting into the top/bottom posting wars.Agreed. There are preferences either way and valid arguments on both camps. However, I think we can agree that excessive quoting is not good.> Besides, it is only a single key stroke to go to the bottom of a page. > Is that really a big problem?What's that single keystroke? Maybe there's something I haven't discovered here. I'm using Outlook Express. On the upper right there's a tree display of the message subjects. Directly below that what they call the "Preview pane" where you see the text for the message highlighted in the thread display. As I click through a thread with the trackball I can read top-posted messages without further actions. Bottom posted messages require clicking within the message pane and either using the scroll wheel to get to the bottom or other navigation (PageDown, Cursor, End, etc.). -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Martin Euredjian To send private email: 0_0_0_0_@pacbell.net where "0_0_0_0_" = "martineu"
Dual-stack (Forth) processors
Started by ●February 16, 2004
Reply by ●February 19, 20042004-02-19
Reply by ●February 19, 20042004-02-19
Ctrl-End. I guess it's 2 key strokes, and you still have to click within the message, though Tab will also move the focus from the tree view to the preview pane. (top-posted for your convenience!) "Martin Euredjian" <0_0_0_0_@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:vpcZb.27819$OB1.14027@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com...> rickman wrote: > > > Besides, it is only a single key stroke to go to the bottom of a page. > > Is that really a big problem? > > What's that single keystroke? Maybe there's something I haven'tdiscovered> here. > > I'm using Outlook Express. On the upper right there's a tree display ofthe> message subjects. Directly below that what they call the "Preview pane" > where you see the text for the message highlighted in the thread display. > As I click through a thread with the trackball I can read top-posted > messages without further actions. Bottom posted messages require clicking > within the message pane and either using the scroll wheel to get to the > bottom or other navigation (PageDown, Cursor, End, etc.).
Reply by ●February 19, 20042004-02-19
Andrew Reilly wrote: ...> > Idle curiosity: why pick the 8085 over the Z80, in that time frame? > > Cheers,The two bit I/O pins could save a UART. The only time I ever used it, it wasn't my choice. Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. �����������������������������������������������������������������������
Reply by ●February 19, 20042004-02-19
Jerry Avins wrote:> Martin Euredjian wrote: > >> Jabari, >> >> What's annoying about bottom posting? >> >> [snip] > > > When I reply to a top-posted message with a sig -- like yours -- > everything below the sig is gone, as here. The _)(*&^%$#@!! news program > snips it all silently. > > JerryJerry, I think a solution to the problem came up a couple of months ago on one of the Mozilla groups during a top vs bottom post flame war. Don't remember just what it was as I wasn't interested at the time.
Reply by ●February 19, 20042004-02-19
Jon Harris wrote:> Ctrl-End. I guess it's 2 key strokes, ...Then <shift>+p to get P is also two keystrokes. As you like it. Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. �����������������������������������������������������������������������
Reply by ●February 19, 20042004-02-19
Jerry Avins wrote:> Jon Harris wrote: > >> "Jerry Avins" <jya@ieee.org> wrote in message >> news:4035159f$0$3078$61fed72c@news.rcn.com... >> >>> When I reply to a top-posted message with a sig -- like yours -- >>> everything below the sig is gone, as here. The _)(*&^%$#@!! news program >>> snips it all silently. >>> >>> Jerry >> >> >> >> What newsreader? Sounds like a bug, or at least something that should >> have >> a switch to defeat it. > > > If there's a switch, I'd like to know it. Netscape 7.1 It has other bugs > too. > > JerryI'm using Mozilla 1.5 with no problems since its release. Mozilla 1.6 is out now. Isn't Netscape 7.x based on Moz 1.4 or earlier?
Reply by ●February 19, 20042004-02-19
Jon Harris wrote:> Ctrl-End. I guess it's 2 key strokes, and you still have to click within > the message, though Tab will also move the focus from the tree view to the > preview pane.If focus is in the preview pane just "End" will get you to the bottom. Sorry for the off-topic nature of this. I scan-through and read hundreds of emails and newsgroup posts per day and just a few extra keystrokes can be a pain in the you-know-what. Using the preview pane: Keystrokes ----------------------- Top-posted reading: Click message in treeview (and read, of course) Click next message in treeview Click next message in treeview Repeat as needed. Bottom-posted reading: Click message in treeview Click in preview pane Press "End" (and read, of course) Click message in treeview Click in preview pane Press "End" (and read, of course) Repeat as needed or Click message in treeview Tab to preview pane Press "End" (find the start of the new text and read, of course) Click message in treeview Tab to preview pane Press "End" (find the start of the new text and read, of course) Repeat as needed There is a way to improve upon this. If you double-click to actually open a message you can use Ctrl+> and Ctrl+< to navigate from post to post with "Home" and "End" getting you to the start and end of a message immediately. The downside here is that you can't skip over messages you might not want to read and thus download them whether you like it or not. Probably not a big deal in light of the efficiency gain. Still, for me, either nicely snipped bottom-posted messages or top-posted messages are quickest to navigate through. Messages with three pages or prior-traffic quoting are an absolute waste of time and bandwidth. I should note that I'm working with a 1920 x 1200 display, so, for most messages, regardless of posting style, I can read them without scrolling whatsoever. Enough of this, back to Forth/FPGA's. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Martin Euredjian To send private email: 0_0_0_0_@pacbell.net where "0_0_0_0_" = "martineu"
Reply by ●February 19, 20042004-02-19
Davka wrote:> Is there a community that is actively involved in discussing and/or > developing FPGA-based Forth chips, or more generally, stack > machines?I've thought about this in terms of internal use. As much as I like FORTH (used it extensively in the 80's and early 90's) the reality seems to be that C is the way to go. It's a matter of the business equation more than a technical rationalization. FORTH is very cryptic for non-FORTH programmers and finding skilled FORTH programmers is not as easy as C programmers. And, while productivity with FORTH can be substantially greater than with C or Assembly, you are, eventually, forced to contend with code maintenance, reuse and changes in design teams (Oh, no! Our only FORTH guy left!). -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Martin Euredjian To send private email: 0_0_0_0_@pacbell.net where "0_0_0_0_" = "martineu"
Reply by ●February 20, 20042004-02-20
Randy Yates wrote:> > rickman <spamgoeshere4@yahoo.com> writes: > > > Jerry Avins wrote: > >> > >> Jeff Fox wrote: > >> > >> ... > >> > >> > I never used the 80186 but I have heard from people who did use > >> > it in embedded work and later the 386e for embedded was clearly > >> > aimed for and used for some embedded work. (though not be me.) > >> > Technically comparing RTX to 8085 or Z80 seemed compelling but > >> > didn't seem to account for much. (Rocket scientists excepted.) > >> > >> ... > >> > >> The 80186 was indeed designed for embedded work, including some on-chip > >> peripherals. I forget what about it made it awkward to use compares to > >> Z-80 and 6809, but I remember feeling that way. Probably my lack of > >> familiarity bordering on ignorance. > > > > I don't think it was awkward compared to any of the 8 bitters. > > Are you guys kidding? It was that frickin' "segmented architecture" that > was a pain in the ?##. I believe both the Z80 and 6809 were flat memory > spaces, weren't they? Give me an 8085 any day of the 80's.It was only segmented if you wanted to go *beyond* 64 kB. If you are happy with a small memory space, the x86 family works very much like an 8085, even down to the 8 bit registers. Funny how Intel did that :) -- Rick "rickman" Collins rick.collins@XYarius.com Ignore the reply address. To email me use the above address with the XY removed. Arius - A Signal Processing Solutions Company Specializing in DSP and FPGA design URL http://www.arius.com 4 King Ave 301-682-7772 Voice Frederick, MD 21701-3110 301-682-7666 FAX
Reply by ●February 20, 20042004-02-20
Martin Euredjian wrote:> > rickman wrote: > > > Personally, I don't care one way or another how people post, I'm not > > interested in getting into the top/bottom posting wars. > > Agreed. There are preferences either way and valid arguments on both camps. > However, I think we can agree that excessive quoting is not good. > > > Besides, it is only a single key stroke to go to the bottom of a page. > > Is that really a big problem? > > What's that single keystroke? Maybe there's something I haven't discovered > here. > > I'm using Outlook Express. On the upper right there's a tree display of the > message subjects. Directly below that what they call the "Preview pane" > where you see the text for the message highlighted in the thread display. > As I click through a thread with the trackball I can read top-posted > messages without further actions. Bottom posted messages require clicking > within the message pane and either using the scroll wheel to get to the > bottom or other navigation (PageDown, Cursor, End, etc.).I don't know diddly about Outlook, but in most windows programs you can go to the bottom of any display by using <ctrl>+<end>. I belive Jerry said that in one of his posts. -- Rick "rickman" Collins rick.collins@XYarius.com Ignore the reply address. To email me use the above address with the XY removed. Arius - A Signal Processing Solutions Company Specializing in DSP and FPGA design URL http://www.arius.com 4 King Ave 301-682-7772 Voice Frederick, MD 21701-3110 301-682-7666 FAX
