FPGA package size chart (smallest) Xilinx holds 8th place

Here it is the list as known today

Package size
1.	3x4 mm 65L04 SiliconBlue
2.	4x4 mm AGL030 Actel
3.	4x5 mm 65L08 SiliconBlue
4.	5x5 mm
    =95	AGL030 Actel
    =95	EPM240Z Altera
5.	5x6 mm 65L16 SiliconBlue
6.	6x6 mm
    =95	AGL060 Actel
    =95	EPM240/570 Altera
    =95	65L02 SiliconBlue
    =95	PolarPro QuickLogic
7.	7x7 mm EPM570Z Altera
8.	8x8 mm
    =95	A3P/IGLOO Actel
    =95	MachXO all, XP2-5,XP2-8 Lattice
    =95	65L02,65L04 SiliconBlue
    =95	PolarPro/ArticLink QuickLogic
    =95	S3E Xilinx


I have listed Altera MAX2 as FPGA, because they much more like FPGA
than CPLD (array structure not product term based)

There is still little hope that Spartan-4 will fill in the chart and
rank up Xilinx a few places


Antti

On Sep 2, 8:46 am, Antti <Antti.Luk...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Here it is the list as known today
....
> I have listed Altera MAX2 as FPGA, because they much more like FPGA
> than CPLD (array structure not product term based)
>
> There is still little hope that Spartan-4 will fill in the chart and
> rank up Xilinx a few places
>
> Antti

It might be interesting to look at the size of the FPGA and associated
hardware for programming as a whole. Some of the FPGAs listed above do
not need a PROM, but some do. And sometimes the PROM (or SPI flash
equivalent) is bigger than the FPGA itself.

Do you think you actually could get hold of the SiBlue devices -in
particular the ones with built-in flash config RAM?

Bart

On 2 sept, 11:57, bommels <bart.homm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 2, 8:46 am, Antti <Antti.Luk...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Here it is the list as known today
> ....
> > I have listed Altera MAX2 as FPGA, because they much more like FPGA
> > than CPLD (array structure not product term based)
>
> > There is still little hope that Spartan-4 will fill in the chart and
> > rank up Xilinx a few places
>
> > Antti
>
> It might be interesting to look at the size of the FPGA and associated
> hardware for programming as a whole. Some of the FPGAs listed above do
> not need a PROM, but some do. And sometimes the PROM (or SPI flash
> equivalent) is bigger than the FPGA itself.
>
> Do you think you actually could get hold of the SiBlue devices -in
> particular the ones with built-in flash config RAM?
>
> Bart

Hi Bart,

the only item that needs configuration memory is at position 8, that
is the Xilinx part
i forgot that, this would shift Xilinx to position 9 as it is 2 chip
solution

ALL other devices in the list have nonvolatile configuration

ALL SiBlue devices have nonvolatile OTP memory that is accessible as
standard SPI for  programming, isnt that neat?
SiBlue devices can be loaded from standard SPI flash also of course or
by MCU, etc..

and as of getting hold on them:

65L04 (8x8 package) samples and SiBlue devkit ARE at THIS moment in
transit to me,
that is they have sent by my agent to me, fully confirmed.
SiBlue DID ship the order within advertized lead time, actually a
little ahead.
(not all package option are in production and/or available yet)

the most interesting (largest in the smaller easyBGA) is, that is the
65L04
the 3x4 are 0.4mm full-grid BGAs not so fun to design in, unless
really constrained by space

Antti

On Sep 2, 11:23 am, Antti <Antti.Luk...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 2 sept, 11:57, bommels <bart.homm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 2, 8:46 am, Antti <Antti.Luk...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Here it is the list as known today
> > ....
> > > I have listed Altera MAX2 as FPGA, because they much more like FPGA
> > > than CPLD (array structure not product term based)
>
> > > There is still little hope that Spartan-4 will fill in the chart and
> > > rank up Xilinx a few places
>
> > > Antti
>
> > It might be interesting to look at the size of the FPGA and associated
> > hardware for programming as a whole. Some of the FPGAs listed above do
> > not need a PROM, but some do. And sometimes the PROM (or SPI flash
> > equivalent) is bigger than the FPGA itself.
>
> > Do you think you actually could get hold of the SiBlue devices -in
> > particular the ones with built-in flash config RAM?
>
> > Bart
>
> Hi Bart,
>
> the only item that needs configuration memory is at position 8, that
> is the Xilinx part
> i forgot that, this would shift Xilinx to position 9 as it is 2 chip
> solution
>
> ALL other devices in the list have nonvolatile configuration
>
> ALL SiBlue devices have nonvolatile OTP memory that is accessible as
> standard SPI for  programming, isnt that neat?
> SiBlue devices can be loaded from standard SPI flash also of course or
> by MCU, etc..
>
> and as of getting hold on them:
>
> 65L04 (8x8 package) samples and SiBlue devkit ARE at THIS moment in
> transit to me,
> that is they have sent by my agent to me, fully confirmed.
> SiBlue DID ship the order within advertized lead time, actually a
> little ahead.
> (not all package option are in production and/or available yet)
>
> the most interesting (largest in the smaller easyBGA) is, that is the
> 65L04
> the 3x4 are 0.4mm full-grid BGAs not so fun to design in, unless
> really constrained by space
>
> Antti

OK, thanks a lot for the info.

We could get the SiBlue dev. kit, but not the packaged parts wich
feature the flash-config RAM. But that was a few months ago, which is
an eternity in their business I suppose.

As I am not involved in the PCB design, I might reconsider them :-)

Cheers,
Bart