On Jan 31, 8:01=A0pm, Antti <Antti.Luk...@googlemail.com> wrote:> On Jan 31, 8:06=A0am, rickman <gnu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 30, 6:43=A0pm, -jg <Jim.Granvi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > What happened to 4 & 5? > > > > Looks like Xilinx marketing want to 'resync' as the Virtex 6 and > > > Spartan 6 > > > (and hey, it's a number =A0higher than Altera so that's worth somethi=ng> > > in their > > > world, right ;) > > > > Anyone seen package choices for Spartan 6 yet ? > > > > Are Xilinx going to push prices, or leave the sub $1 / Low power area > > > to Actel ? > > > I sure wish they would support the smaller leaded packages. =A0A decent > > sized chip in a 100 pin QFP would be so nice; low price, easy assembly > > and good access to the pins for debug. =A0I don't get why they haven't > > done this before. =A0Every I/O adds cost. =A0They won't get under $10 i=n> > moderate quanties until they pick some better packages. > > > Rick > > Sorry Rick I can not comment in public. I hope it all be known on > monday. > I have some comments, i make them public as soon as the info is no > longer under NDA > (that is i can comment on what xilinx has made public itself) > > AnttiComments: Xilinx have goofed and made one PDF (Spartan6_Overview.pdf) non- selectable Smallest package is TQG144, 0.5mm 20mm sides - 2 parts in that package VCO looks good : - 400MHz-1100MHz, and 8 phases out. Missing: Any notes on prices, or relative speeds of IP ? and Rather Too much of this sort of nonsense-fluff : "Fulfilling the Programmable Imperative"
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Started by ●January 23, 2009
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Reply by ●February 2, 20092009-02-02
On Feb 2, 4:45=A0pm, -jg <Jim.Granvi...@gmail.com> wrote:> > =A0and Rather Too much of this sort of nonsense-fluff : "Fulfilling the > Programmable Imperative"Are you saying that you don't care if your programmable imperative is fulfilled or not??? ;^)
Reply by ●February 2, 20092009-02-02
On Feb 3, 10:59=A0am, rickman <gnu...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Feb 2, 4:45=A0pm, -jg <Jim.Granvi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > =A0and Rather Too much of this sort of nonsense-fluff : "Fulfilling the > > Programmable Imperative" > > Are you saying that you don't care if your programmable imperative is > fulfilled or not??? > > ;^)I'm not even sure where to find my programmable imperative !! ;)
Reply by ●February 2, 20092009-02-02
well, this is all very nice, but more importantly, when are they going to actually start delivering these things, and how much will they cost ? I can't really believe they haven't *got* that information, so why the staged release of info ? Simon
Reply by ●February 2, 20092009-02-02
On Feb 2, 8:38=A0pm, Simon <goo...@gornall.net> wrote:> well, this is all very nice, but more importantly, when are they going > to actually start delivering these things, and how much will they > cost ? > > I can't really believe they haven't *got* that information, so why the > staged release of info ? > > SimonWhatttt??? Are you saying that you want to put a price and schedule on fulfilling your programmable imperative? Rick
Reply by ●February 3, 20092009-02-03
On Feb 3, 5:05=A0am, rickman <gnu...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Feb 2, 8:38=A0pm, Simon <goo...@gornall.net> wrote: > > > well, this is all very nice, but more importantly, when are they going > > to actually start delivering these things, and how much will they > > cost ? > > > I can't really believe they haven't *got* that information, so why the > > staged release of info ? > > > Simon > > Whatttt??? =A0Are you saying that you want to put a price and schedule > on fulfilling your programmable imperative? > > Rickyes, we would like to see the price tag on the "programmable imperative" well, Xilinx is now the second company offering high speed serdes in the low cost family, while Lattice being the only one currently shipping low cost with serdes (ECP family) if i recall correctly Lattice rule of thumb is 1KLUT=3D1$ hmm the small volume pricing seems to be more 1KLUT=3D1.5$ so i bet the S-6 pricing should line up somewhere close say in range 1-2$ per KLUT probably less then 1$ for some devices in large volume Antti
Reply by ●February 3, 20092009-02-03
On Feb 3, 2:38=A0pm, Simon <goo...@gornall.net> wrote:> well, this is all very nice, but more importantly, when are they going- to actually start delivering these things, and how much will they - cost ? - - I can't really believe they haven't *got* that information, so why the - staged release of info ? Maybe they don't yet have yield info?. No price point, and 2H 2009 timelines, all suggest they have first silicon only. Even MHz specs are hard to find... Other companies have stock at Digikey when they do Product announcements/press releases... -jg
Reply by ●February 3, 20092009-02-03
http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=N5KULYMEMNGWUQSNDLOSKH0CJUNN2JVN?articleID=213000271 "One Spartan-6 FPGA, an LX16 device, is already sampling..." "The Spartan-6 family is priced at between about $3 and $54 in high volume of 10,000 units..." All I could find. Luiz Carlos
Reply by ●February 3, 20092009-02-03
On Feb 3, 1:04=A0pm, oen_br <oen_no_s...@yahoo.com.br> wrote:> http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=3DN5KULYMEMNGWUQSND..=.> > "One Spartan-6 FPGA, an LX16 device, is already sampling..." > "The Spartan-6 family is priced at between about $3 and $54 in high > volume of 10,000 units..." > > All I could find. > > Luiz CarlosHm. if that pricing is correct (but seems to come directly from Xilinx!) then it pretty nice (low) from 1.5$ down to 0.5$ per 1K LUT (from smallest to largest device) but.. it seems that even Spartan-3A family isnt fully shipping, there is NO STOCK of any of the newer packages offerings at all, 0 zero stock all distributors. Of course the cheaper package is the one that is not available. Antti
Reply by ●February 3, 20092009-02-03
In article <410e08bf-0eb4-4096-9755-53cfbedb13f1@k9g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, oen_br <oen_no_spam@yahoo.com.br> writes: |> http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=N5KULYMEMNGWUQSNDLOSKH0CJUNN2JVN?articleID=213000271 |> |> "One Spartan-6 FPGA, an LX16 device, is already sampling..." |> "The Spartan-6 family is priced at between about $3 and $54 in high |> volume of 10,000 units..." According to my experience with Digikey et al., it will then be between $20 and $300 for a single chip. The Digikey/Avnet/NuHorizon prices are ridiculously high... -- Georg Acher, acher@in.tum.de http://www.lrr.in.tum.de/~acher "Oh no, not again !" The bowl of petunias
