FPGA/DSP/Video Board

Hi,

Many thanks for your time.

I'm looking for a board to pre-process the video signal from camera. 

The followings are the features of the camera I will use:
-- The camera is of RGB type and has three separate CCD sensors.
-- The interface of 3CCD camera is not limited, can be Camera link, GigE,
1394 or analog RGB (three channels), it depends on which kind of
development board I can use.
-- The frame rate of this camera is about 30f/s, and resolution about
1024*768, 8/10bit.

The followings are the features of the board I am looking for:
-- Proper interface to receive data from 3CCD camera.
-- FPGA or combination of FPGA and DSP. Combination of boards, e.g., a DSP
kit and a plug-in FPGA board can also work. 
-- Big memory and high performance.
-- Proper interface to transmit the processing result to PC: Ethernet or
USB or� But not PCI or PCI express.

I didn�t find a board with Camera link interface. And I am a litter
confused by the interface and format of camera.
-- What is the difference between composite and VGA?
--Does RGB output mean 3 analog channels corresponding to R/G/B, and each
channel has the same format with black-white camera video output and has
sync information included in each channel? 
--What kind of chip do I need to transform RGB output to raw data that
FPGA can process?

In my application, about 30 images will be received per second and I want
to use 30 images to produce an averaged image. After 30 images add together
and form one image, the board transmits it to computer online. Any
suggestions? 

I really appreciate your help.

Danny

On Apr 27, 6:39=A0am, "xdsd98123" <xdsd98...@163.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Many thanks for your time.
>
> I'm looking for a board to pre-process the video signal from camera.
>
> The followings are the features of the camera I will use:
> -- The camera is of RGB type and has three separate CCD sensors.
> -- The interface of 3CCD camera is not limited, can be Camera link, GigE,
> 1394 or analog RGB (three channels), it depends on which kind of
> development board I can use.
> -- The frame rate of this camera is about 30f/s, and resolution about
> 1024*768, 8/10bit.
>
> The followings are the features of the board I am looking for:
> -- Proper interface to receive data from 3CCD camera.
> -- FPGA or combination of FPGA and DSP. Combination of boards, e.g., a DS=
P
> kit and a plug-in FPGA board can also work.
> -- Big memory and high performance.
> -- Proper interface to transmit the processing result to PC: Ethernet or
> USB or=85 But not PCI or PCI express.
>
> I didn=92t find a board with Camera link interface. And I am a litter
> confused by the interface and format of camera.
> -- What is the difference between composite and VGA?
> --Does RGB output mean 3 analog channels corresponding to R/G/B, and each
> channel has the same format with black-white camera video output and has
> sync information included in each channel?
> --What kind of chip do I need to transform RGB output to raw data that
> FPGA can process?
>
> In my application, about 30 images will be received per second and I want
> to use 30 images to produce an averaged image. After 30 images add togeth=
er
> and form one image, the board transmits it to computer online. Any
> suggestions?
>
> I really appreciate your help.
>
> Danny

Matrox makes some nifty frame grabber boards with on-board FPGAs which
you can use for whatever you like. You can get boards with Camera
Link, GigE and analog inputs.

But they use PCI or PCIe to attach to the computer. USB will not keep
up with your sensors if you are running at Camera Link speeds.

-a

On Apr 27, 1:12=A0pm, Andy Peters <goo...@latke.net> wrote:
> On Apr 27, 6:39=A0am, "xdsd98123" <xdsd98...@163.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi,
>
> > Many thanks for your time.
>
> > I'm looking for a board to pre-process the video signal from camera.
>
> > The followings are the features of the camera I will use:
> > -- The camera is of RGB type and has three separate CCD sensors.
> > -- The interface of 3CCD camera is not limited, can be Camera link, Gig=
E,
> > 1394 or analog RGB (three channels), it depends on which kind of
> > development board I can use.
> > -- The frame rate of this camera is about 30f/s, and resolution about
> > 1024*768, 8/10bit.
>
> > The followings are the features of the board I am looking for:
> > -- Proper interface to receive data from 3CCD camera.
> > -- FPGA or combination of FPGA and DSP. Combination of boards, e.g., a =
DSP
> > kit and a plug-in FPGA board can also work.
> > -- Big memory and high performance.
> > -- Proper interface to transmit the processing result to PC: Ethernet o=
r
> > USB or=85 But not PCI or PCI express.
>
> > I didn=92t find a board with Camera link interface. And I am a litter
> > confused by the interface and format of camera.
> > -- What is the difference between composite and VGA?
> > --Does RGB output mean 3 analog channels corresponding to R/G/B, and ea=
ch
> > channel has the same format with black-white camera video output and ha=
s
> > sync information included in each channel?
> > --What kind of chip do I need to transform RGB output to raw data that
> > FPGA can process?
>
> > In my application, about 30 images will be received per second and I wa=
nt
> > to use 30 images to produce an averaged image. After 30 images add toge=
ther
> > and form one image, the board transmits it to computer online. Any
> > suggestions?
>
> > I really appreciate your help.
>
> > Danny
>
> Matrox makes some nifty frame grabber boards with on-board FPGAs which
> you can use for whatever you like. You can get boards with Camera
> Link, GigE and analog inputs.
>
> But they use PCI or PCIe to attach to the computer. USB will not keep
> up with your sensors if you are running at Camera Link speeds.
>
> -a

USB might be good enough for one averaged frame every second.
Alacron makes framegrabbers with all kinds of interfaces.  If
you really wanted an FPGA development board, however you may
want to look at the boards and kits offerings on the Xilinx
site.  Framegrabber manufacturers aren't in the business of
supporting FPGA development in general.  Niche manufacturers
like Alacron may be interested in doing the whole job for
you if it involves using their hardware in your product.

Regards,
Gabor

On Apr 27, 9:44=A0pm, gabor <ga...@alacron.com> wrote:
> On Apr 27, 1:12=A0pm, Andy Peters <goo...@latke.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 27, 6:39=A0am, "xdsd98123" <xdsd98...@163.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hi,
>
> > > Many thanks for your time.
>
> > > I'm looking for a board to pre-process the video signal from camera.
>
> > > The followings are the features of the camera I will use:
> > > -- The camera is of RGB type and has three separate CCD sensors.
> > > -- The interface of 3CCD camera is not limited, can be Camera link, G=
igE,
> > > 1394 or analog RGB (three channels), it depends on which kind of
> > > development board I can use.
> > > -- The frame rate of this camera is about 30f/s, and resolution about
> > > 1024*768, 8/10bit.
>
> > > The followings are the features of the board I am looking for:
> > > -- Proper interface to receive data from 3CCD camera.
> > > -- FPGA or combination of FPGA and DSP. Combination of boards, e.g., =
a DSP
> > > kit and a plug-in FPGA board can also work.
> > > -- Big memory and high performance.
> > > -- Proper interface to transmit the processing result to PC: Ethernet=
 or
> > > USB or=85 But not PCI or PCI express.
>
> > > I didn=92t find a board with Camera link interface. And I am a litter
> > > confused by the interface and format of camera.
> > > -- What is the difference between composite and VGA?
> > > --Does RGB output mean 3 analog channels corresponding to R/G/B, and =
each
> > > channel has the same format with black-white camera video output and =
has
> > > sync information included in each channel?
> > > --What kind of chip do I need to transform RGB output to raw data tha=
t
> > > FPGA can process?
>
> > > In my application, about 30 images will be received per second and I =
want
> > > to use 30 images to produce an averaged image. After 30 images add to=
gether
> > > and form one image, the board transmits it to computer online. Any
> > > suggestions?
>
> > > I really appreciate your help.
>
> > > Danny
>
> > Matrox makes some nifty frame grabber boards with on-board FPGAs which
> > you can use for whatever you like. You can get boards with Camera
> > Link, GigE and analog inputs.
>
> > But they use PCI or PCIe to attach to the computer. USB will not keep
> > up with your sensors if you are running at Camera Link speeds.
>
> > -a
>
> USB might be good enough for one averaged frame every second.
> Alacron makes framegrabbers with all kinds of interfaces. =A0If
> you really wanted an FPGA development board, however you may
> want to look at the boards and kits offerings on the Xilinx
> site. =A0Framegrabber manufacturers aren't in the business of
> supporting FPGA development in general. =A0Niche manufacturers
> like Alacron may be interested in doing the whole job for
> you if it involves using their hardware in your product.
>
> Regards,
> Gabor

Hi,

Well, my Cameleon can be general purpose USB FPGA camera with full
source code (VHDL, C) at an attractive price. And some new models are
already on the drawing board.
http://www.optomotive.si/

Ales

Try checking out Gidel Inc.  They make some StratixII  cards with 
Cameralink, 2-4 GB memory etc. The one I'm using is based on PCIe. Their 
development tools are pretty good but pricey.

CTW.

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> Hi,
>
> Many thanks for your time.
>
> I'm looking for a board to pre-process the video signal from camera.
>
> The followings are the features of the camera I will use:
> -- The camera is of RGB type and has three separate CCD sensors.
> -- The interface of 3CCD camera is not limited, can be Camera link, GigE,
> 1394 or analog RGB (three channels), it depends on which kind of
> development board I can use.
> -- The frame rate of this camera is about 30f/s, and resolution about
> 1024*768, 8/10bit.
>
> The followings are the features of the board I am looking for:
> -- Proper interface to receive data from 3CCD camera.
> -- FPGA or combination of FPGA and DSP. Combination of boards, e.g., a DSP
> kit and a plug-in FPGA board can also work.
> -- Big memory and high performance.
> -- Proper interface to transmit the processing result to PC: Ethernet or
> USB or. But not PCI or PCI express.
>
> I didn't find a board with Camera link interface. And I am a litter
> confused by the interface and format of camera.
> -- What is the difference between composite and VGA?
> --Does RGB output mean 3 analog channels corresponding to R/G/B, and each
> channel has the same format with black-white camera video output and has
> sync information included in each channel?
> --What kind of chip do I need to transform RGB output to raw data that
> FPGA can process?
>
> In my application, about 30 images will be received per second and I want
> to use 30 images to produce an averaged image. After 30 images add 
> together
> and form one image, the board transmits it to computer online. Any
> suggestions?
>
> I really appreciate your help.
>
> Danny
>
>
> 

Andy Peters <google@latke.net> writes:

> Matrox makes some nifty frame grabber boards with on-board FPGAs which
> you can use for whatever you like. You can get boards with Camera
> Link, GigE and analog inputs.

Interesting. Is this the Vio? Do you know if it can handle 1080p/60?
What kind of FPGA? Does it have a digital input (HDMI) as well?

> But they use PCI or PCIe to attach to the computer. USB will not keep
> up with your sensors if you are running at Camera Link speeds.

Even better. I'm looking for something which can be used as a frame
grabber to store uncompressed frames on harddisk, but presumably at
least 1080p/60fps.

Petter
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On Apr 28, 7:11=A0am, Petter Gustad <newsmailco...@gustad.com> wrote:
> Andy Peters <goo...@latke.net> writes:
> > Matrox makes some nifty frame grabber boards with on-board FPGAs which
> > you can use for whatever you like. You can get boards with Camera
> > Link, GigE and analog inputs.
>
> Interesting. Is this the Vio? Do you know if it can handle 1080p/60?

I have a Solios eCL (digital Camera Link) in my development machine
and we use both Solios and Helios cards. Medium CL supports up to 85
MHz pixel clock with a variety of pixel formats. There's not enough
bandwidth for 1080p/60 but it can do 30 no problem.

> What kind of FPGA? Does it have a digital input (HDMI) as well?

The Processing FPGA is an Altera Stratix.

No support for HDMI, as far as I know. Do any cameras have HDMI
outputs? (If so, why?)

-a

Andy Peters <google@latke.net> writes:


> I have a Solios eCL (digital Camera Link) in my development machine
> and we use both Solios and Helios cards. Medium CL supports up to 85
> MHz pixel clock with a variety of pixel formats. There's not enough
> bandwidth for 1080p/60 but it can do 30 no problem.

Thank you for your reply. I'm looking for something which can handle
1080p/60 or more. 

Petter

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"cwoodring" <cwoodring@cox.net> writes:

> Try checking out Gidel Inc.  They make some StratixII  cards with 
> Cameralink, 2-4 GB memory etc. The one I'm using is based on PCIe. Their 
> development tools are pretty good but pricey.

Thanks, that looks promising.

Petter

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The Matrox X.AVCio features a DVI input and supports 1080p at 50 and
60 (59.94) fps.

Contact your local Matrox Imaging representative for more information:

http://www.matrox.com/imaging/buy/home.cfm

On Apr 28, 4:45=A0pm, Petter Gustad <newsmailco...@gustad.com> wrote:
> Thank you for your reply. I'm looking for something which can handle
> 1080p/60 or more.
>
> Petter