ISE/EDK/SDK 11.1 licensing

Does anyone know if EDK11.1 can be installed and used standalone without an 
ISE license? What about SDK only installation, i.e. without EDK? I believe 
it wasn't possible in the previous versions... EDK required ISE, and I 
believe SDK without EDK wasn't working either, although I am not confident 
about the latter. Now with increased prices my management wants to save some 
money on licenses...  I searched Xilinx knowledge base but couldn't find an 
answer...

/Mikhail 

On May 1, 5:40=A0am, "MM" <mb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know if EDK11.1 can be installed and used standalone without =
an
> ISE license? What about SDK only installation, i.e. without EDK? I believ=
e
> it wasn't possible in the previous versions... EDK required ISE, and I
> believe SDK without EDK wasn't working either, although I am not confiden=
t
> about the latter. Now with increased prices my management wants to save s=
ome
> money on licenses... =A0I searched Xilinx knowledge base but couldn't fin=
d an
> answer...
>
> /Mikhail

you should be able to buy EDK only license, even if it is not offered
as separate product in main price table i think.

it would REAL bad move from Xilinx to limit the EDK only to be used
with paid ISE version as ISE+EDK bundle

Antti

On May 1, 5:40 am, "MM" <mb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know if EDK11.1 can be installed and used standalone without 
> an
> ISE license? What about SDK only installation, i.e. without EDK? I believe
> it wasn't possible in the previous versions... EDK required ISE,

Sure. EDK 10.1 works with just the webpack. If there's a webpack 11.1, I 
would imagine EDK would work then also.

> and I
> believe SDK without EDK wasn't working either, although I am not confident
> about the latter.

What would that workflow look like? Seems to me anything useful would 
involve a license violation of some sort. I hate to be the one to say this, 
but MS has a Lite version of VS2008 for free download. As with Eclipse, you 
either love it or you hate it, and I happen to hate Eclipse. Why bother with 
SDK? (That wasn't rhetorical. I'm wondering this moment if there's something 
awefully compelling to make you contemplate what you're contemplating.)

On May 1, 12:09=A0pm, "MikeWhy" <boat042-nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 1, 5:40 am, "MM" <mb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know if EDK11.1 can be installed and used standalone withou=
t
> > an
> > ISE license? What about SDK only installation, i.e. without EDK? I beli=
eve
> > it wasn't possible in the previous versions... EDK required ISE,
>
> Sure. EDK 10.1 works with just the webpack. If there's a webpack 11.1, I
> would imagine EDK would work then also.
>
> > and I
> > believe SDK without EDK wasn't working either, although I am not confid=
ent
> > about the latter.
>
> What would that workflow look like? Seems to me anything useful would
> involve a license violation of some sort. I hate to be the one to say thi=
s,
> but MS has a Lite version of VS2008 for free download. As with Eclipse, y=
ou
> either love it or you hate it, and I happen to hate Eclipse. Why bother w=
ith
> SDK? (That wasn't rhetorical. I'm wondering this moment if there's someth=
ing
> awefully compelling to make you contemplate what you're contemplating.)

well, the worry of OP comes from the fact that with 11.1 there is no
price
given for EDK any more, the only possibility to obtain EDK includes
buying
a package that includes a FULL ISE version.

so if you want EDK 11.1, you can buy it from Avent: 3395$ stock NO,
lead time 26 weeks, or
nuhorizons, price 3395, stock NO, lead time 2 weeks.

ISE/EDK or any other software is no longer available from Xilinx
online store, only from distributors.

So for me it is clear that the OP doesnt want to pay $3395 for the EDK
license (and this is for one year only!).

Antti

"MikeWhy" <boat042-nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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>
> What would that workflow look like? Seems to me anything useful would 
> involve a license violation of some sort. I hate to be the one to say 
> this, but MS has a Lite version of VS2008 for free download. As with 
> Eclipse, you either love it or you hate it, and I happen to hate Eclipse. 
> Why bother with SDK? (That wasn't rhetorical. I'm wondering this moment if 
> there's something awefully compelling to make you contemplate what you're 
> contemplating.)
>

We currently have to support two projects. From the hardware point of view 
both of them have top level in ISE and both include a PPC subsystem. One is 
implemented in V4FX60 and another in V4FX20/40. On the software side the 
bigger board runs under VxWorks and we are using VxWorks design environment 
(another Eclipse) for the application software development. However, to 
build a BSP for that board, EDK has to be run on a PC where VxWorks is 
installed or at least that's what we believe, I can imagine that this can be 
worked around somehow. As mostly a hardware designer I don't have VxWorks on 
my PC, so this step is done by a software person. The smaller board runs 
with no OS and the application for it is maintained in SDK. I think debugger 
facility in SDK will not work if EDK is not installed. Also, starting from 
10.1 or perhaps even 9, SDK would alsways ask for an xmp file when started 
and it would then try to verify if BSP is up to date. I can't see how this 
will work without EDK...


/Mikhail 

<Antti.Lukats@googlemail.com> wrote in message 
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>
>So for me it is clear that the OP doesnt want to pay $3395 for the EDK
>license (and this is for one year only!).

Antti,

We have a team of 3 people (1 hardware, and 2 software, one of which is 
occasional) and I need to find an optimal licensing solution for all.

/Mikhail

<Antti.Lukats@googlemail.com> wrote in message 
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On May 1, 12:09 pm, "MikeWhy" <boat042-nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 1, 5:40 am, "MM" <mb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know if EDK11.1 can be installed and used standalone without
> > an
> > ISE license? What about SDK only installation, i.e. without EDK? I 
> > believe
> > it wasn't possible in the previous versions... EDK required ISE,
>
> Sure. EDK 10.1 works with just the webpack. If there's a webpack 11.1, I
> would imagine EDK would work then also.
>
> > and I
> > believe SDK without EDK wasn't working either, although I am not 
> > confident
> > about the latter.
>
> What would that workflow look like? Seems to me anything useful would
> involve a license violation of some sort. I hate to be the one to say 
> this,
> but MS has a Lite version of VS2008 for free download. As with Eclipse, 
> you
> either love it or you hate it, and I happen to hate Eclipse. Why bother 
> with
> SDK? (That wasn't rhetorical. I'm wondering this moment if there's 
> something
> awefully compelling to make you contemplate what you're contemplating.)

well, the worry of OP comes from the fact that with 11.1 there is no
price
given for EDK any more, the only possibility to obtain EDK includes
buying
a package that includes a FULL ISE version.

so if you want EDK 11.1, you can buy it from Avent: 3395$ stock NO,
lead time 26 weeks, or
nuhorizons, price 3395, stock NO, lead time 2 weeks.

ISE/EDK or any other software is no longer available from Xilinx
online store, only from distributors.

So for me it is clear that the OP doesnt want to pay $3395 for the EDK
license (and this is for one year only!).

Antti

=============================
Yeah. I wondered what the issue was. EDK licensing was rather unreasonable I 
thought.

I find I now have Transition Licenses that expire very soon. Better find out 
what that's all about. And I see they no longer license sysgen alone, only 
with acceldsp.

"MikeWhy" <boat042-nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:75GKl.28897>
>
> well, the worry of OP comes from the fact that with 11.1 there is no
> price
> given for EDK any more, the only possibility to obtain EDK includes
> buying
> a package that includes a FULL ISE version.
>
> Antti
>

It's not quite true. You can still get EDK separately for $495 
(http://www.xilinx.com/onlinestore/design_resources.htm), and it looks as it 
comes with a separate license, but it is not clear to me based on my 
previous experience whether EDK can actually be used on its own without ISE. 
I guess Webpack is an option if it will support the devices I need...


/Mikhail 

On May 1, 8:14 am, "MM" <mb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <Antti.Luk...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:beb204d5-4792-4298-afb5-85b167e7e32f@b7g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >So for me it is clear that the OP doesnt want to pay $3395 for the EDK
> >license (and this is for one year only!).
>
> Antti,
>
> We have a team of 3 people (1 hardware, and 2 software, one of which is
> occasional) and I need to find an optimal licensing solution for all.
>
> /Mikhail

Brand-A has been using FlexLM licensing for years.  Their method
allows you to install w/o violating the terms, because the  software
in non-functional without the proper license file.  A license is NOT
needed to compile the firmware; only to build the chip.

For a software-only work I install the Q/N package, and the "hardware
guy" (who has the only license) shares 3 files with the "software
guy", and everyone is good to go.  Everybody does need their own JTAG
dongle, but they're cheap.

I would hope that the Brand-X licensing would allow the same.  If not,
they have shot themselves in the foot, and have only themselves to
blame.

$.02,
AL

Hi all,

Even if I'm quite a "Xilinx "fan", I hate the new policy of  Xilinx
license. In my previous company, we'd bought as many license as the
number of FPGA engineers but we installed ISE on more PC : for lab,
for home (for work or to learn), for some developers who works on EDK
for few weeks/months and personally, I'd luck to have to 2 PC and I'd
installed ISE 10.1 on both with same license and now, it's impossible.
How to tell them it's very a bad idea ? Does they know that for a
small company it can be expensive and have a limited number of
licenses can reduce productivity (work at home for instance) ? What is
your opinion ?
Regards.