Altera Flex10K support ?

Hi
I have found old parts lying around in the lab and I could put them to 
good use. Alas, they are not supported by Quartus any more. Do you know 
which version of the tool I should get (and where I could get it, if 
Altera doesn't provide it) ?

Thanks
Nicolas

"Nicolas Matringe" <nicolas.matringe@fre.fre> wrote in message 
news:4e4c1188$0$7330$426a74cc@news.free.fr...
> Hi
> I have found old parts lying around in the lab and I could put them to 
> good use. Alas, they are not supported by Quartus any more. Do you know 
> which version of the tool I should get (and where I could get it, if 
> Altera doesn't provide it) ?
>
> Thanks
> Nicolas


Quartus V9.1 sp2  (the last sensible version before the excellent internal 
simulator was dropped) supports Flex10k.

Should still be available on Altera website.

Phil 

Le 17/08/2011 21:18, Phil Emmup a �crit :

> Quartus V9.1 sp2  (the last sensible version before the excellent internal
> simulator was dropped) supports Flex10k.
>
> Should still be available on Altera website.


Thanks a lot.
I finally found the old version page on Altera website.

Nicolas

On Aug 17, 2:27=A0pm, Nicolas Matringe <nicolas.matri...@fre.fre> wrote:
> Le 17/08/2011 21:18, Phil Emmup a =E9crit :
>
> > Quartus V9.1 sp2 =A0(the last sensible version before the excellent int=
ernal
> > simulator was dropped) supports Flex10k.
>
> > Should still be available on Altera website.
>
> Thanks a lot.
> I finally found the old version page on Altera website.
>
> Nicolas

Note, Altera often supports parts long after they stop showing up in
the device selection panel. I have a board with somewhat rare
Flex10K100 on it (specifically, a 10K100GC503-3), that quit showing up
in the drop downs a very long time ago. The original design was done
in MaxPlusII!

I have to manually edit the QSF with the specific part number to get
it to work. However, if you get the part number exactly right, Quartus
will set everything else up for you. Even the pin mapper works
correctly.

It's as if Altera doesn't want to advertise support for these older
parts, but keeps it anyway. This may not apply to the Flex10K for
current versions, but as a general rule, Altera (and Xilinx) often
support obsolete parts this way.

On 17 ao=FBt, 21:18, "Phil Emmup" <ph...@hotnots.rot> wrote:
> "Nicolas Matringe" <nicolas.matri...@fre.fre> wrote in message
>
> news:4e4c1188$0$7330$426a74cc@news.free.fr...
>
> > Hi
> > I have found old parts lying around in the lab and I could put them to
> > good use. Alas, they are not supported by Quartus any more. Do you know
> > which version of the tool I should get (and where I could get it, if
> > Altera doesn't provide it) ?
>
> > Thanks
> > Nicolas
>
> Quartus V9.1 sp2 =A0(the last sensible version before the excellent inter=
nal
> simulator was dropped) supports Flex10k.
>
> Should still be available on Altera website.

Hi
It was actually V9.0, as stated in this 9.1 note
http://www.altera.com/literature/rn/rn_qts_91sp2_dev_support.pdf

Nicolas

On 18 ao=FBt, 16:14, radarman <jsham...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 17, 2:27=A0pm, Nicolas Matringe <nicolas.matri...@fre.fre> wrote:
[...]
> Note, Altera often supports parts long after they stop showing up in
> the device selection panel. I have a board with somewhat rare
> Flex10K100 on it (specifically, a 10K100GC503-3), that quit showing up
> in the drop downs a very long time ago. The original design was done
> in MaxPlusII!
> I have to manually edit the QSF with the specific part number to get
> it to work. However, if you get the part number exactly right, Quartus
> will set everything else up for you. Even the pin mapper works
> correctly.

The thing is that since I'll be working on a new design (and I haven't
used these parts for years, and I changed company since) I don't have
any QSF example. I'll work with Quartus v9.0 at first and see if I can
migrate the design to a more recent version.


> It's as if Altera doesn't want to advertise support for these older
> parts, but keeps it anyway. This may not apply to the Flex10K for
> current versions, but as a general rule, Altera (and Xilinx) often
> support obsolete parts this way.

Maybe they don't want too much advertising to avoid getting requests
for the parts they don't supply anymore.

Thanks for the tip
Nicolas