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You are right, although the -tfpga target for 0.8 is a little rusty
compared to current CVS of v0_8-branch, and -tfpga is non-functional
on the devel trunk. Because the main trunk and synthesis have diverged
recently, I've been considering keeping synthesis in the v0_8 branch
and fixing/maintaining it there. A fork, if you will.

And supporting abandoned parts like this is a excellent use of open
source software. Might even be a business opportunity;-)

Satoru Uzawa wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>  I thought one can synthesize for Spartan and Spartan XL with Icarus
> Verilog then tranfer EDIF file to ISE Classic to complete the project.
>  Am I wrong?  
>  By the way, the advice here stands too true.  Don't start a new
> project with devices not supported by ISE WebPACK just because you
> can buy them cheap...
> 
>  Regards,
>  Satoru
>   
> ghelbig@lycos.com wrote:
>> The PLCC Spartan/SpartanXL is NOT going to be the least costly.
>>
>> Xilinx no longer supports them.  To synthesize, you'll need FPGA
>> Express, and the last time I checked, it ran about $15,000.00 - 15K
>> will buy a lot of time at your local stuffing house.
>>
>> "If it ain't supported in a current web-pack, don't use it."
>>


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Hi,

 I thought one can synthesize for Spartan and Spartan XL with Icarus
Verilog then tranfer EDIF file to ISE Classic to complete the project.
 Am I wrong?  
 By the way, the advice here stands too true.  Don't start a new
project with devices not supported by ISE WebPACK just because you
can buy them cheap...

 Regards,
 Satoru

ghelbig@lycos.com wrote:
> The PLCC Spartan/SpartanXL is NOT going to be the least costly.
> 
> Xilinx no longer supports them.  To synthesize, you'll need FPGA
> Express, and the last time I checked, it ran about $15,000.00 - 15K
> will buy a lot of time at your local stuffing house.
> 
> "If it ain't supported in a current web-pack, don't use it."
>

The PLCC Spartan/SpartanXL is NOT going to be the least costly.

Xilinx no longer supports them.  To synthesize, you'll need FPGA
Express, and the last time I checked, it ran about $15,000.00 - 15K
will buy a lot of time at your local stuffing house.

"If it ain't supported in a current web-pack, don't use it."

Sorry, you are right, of course. Really ambarrassing...
But it does not change the fact that they are NOT through-hole.
Peter Alfke

Peter Alfke wrote:
> PLCC stands for Plastic Leadless Chip Carrier

PLCC stands for Plastic *Leaded* Chip Carrier.  It has J-leads, like an
SOJ, but around a square package rather than down two parallel sides.

> it is NOT through-hole.

True.

kulkarku@math.net wrote:
> i want to design the prototype board for spartan series FPGA which is
> least costly,for master serial mode of configuration i want to use
> PROM.I am looking for some through hole component like PLCC84 pin &
> PLCC 20 pin package.can u suggest me some.

Least costly:
   Buy a development board for $99.

Alternative for "your own" stuff:
   Use a new FPGA - Xilinx Spartan3(E?), Altera Cyclone-II, or Lattice 
ECP(2?) - in a TQFP package (still solderable by hand).  It's not 
through-hole but it's doable.  Good through hole support is mostly a memory.

And don't force everything to be 5V.

PLCC stands for Plastic Leadless Chip Carrier, so it is NOT
through-hole.
But there are sockets that can convert PLCC to through-hole.
Don't expect any modern devices in this package. Too big and too few
pins for today's designs.
The world changes, not always in the direction one likes...
Peter Alfke

i want to design the prototype board for spartan series FPGA which is
least costly,for master serial mode of configuration i want to use
PROM.I am looking for some through hole component like PLCC84 pin &
PLCC 20 pin package.can u suggest me some.

kulkarku@math.net wrote:
> Hi,
> is any spartan FPGA is in PLCC package?also its availabilty ?
> I want to use spartan series FPGA & not the any other spartan seris
> like spartan 2e etc.
> which sprom should be used?

I've got some Spartan XL chips in PLCC somewhere. They are probably
still available from Farnell, as well as the configuration devices.

Leon.