> 
> Jesse,
>   Thanks for that. We would expect NIOS II to be more 'tuned'
> for Stratix II...
> 
>   Here's a question, (for when you can comment :)
>   Will NIOS II have a variant that fits/runs on MAX II devices ?
> 
> -jg

Hi Jim,

I'd love to address that right now but can't -- stay tuned for the MAX
II & Nios II launches. They will answer that question.

- Jesse

Jesse Kempa wrote:
> Jim Granville <no.spam@designtools.co.nz> wrote in message news:<14XTb.20607$ws.2742532@news02.tsnz.net>...
> 
>>  One thing that was not obvious in a quick trawl thru their info,
>>was the relative NIOS sizes (Stratix / Stratix II).
>>  You'd think that would make a good benchmark, but maybe it's still a 
>>'work in progress' as they tune the SW.
>>
>>  Anyone seen actual numbers or NIOS or NIOS II ?
>>
>>-jg
> 
> 
> Jim,
> 
> Nios v3.2 is the final release of "classic" Nios. It is slated to be
> released very soon, and will offer a couple of tweaks for Stratix II
> support. For another data point: I ran the "minimal_32" example
> through QII 4.0 for both device families and got 2011LEs (Stratix) vs.
> 1393ALUTs (Stratix II).
> 
> Again, Nios 3.2 will officially support Stratix II.
> 
> As for Nios II... I cannot comment on that yet, but stay tuned, its
> worth waiting for.

Jesse,
  Thanks for that. We would expect NIOS II to be more 'tuned'
for Stratix II...

  Here's a question, (for when you can comment :)
  Will NIOS II have a variant that fits/runs on MAX II devices ?

-jg

Jim Granville <no.spam@designtools.co.nz> wrote in message news:<14XTb.20607$ws.2742532@news02.tsnz.net>...
> 
>   One thing that was not obvious in a quick trawl thru their info,
> was the relative NIOS sizes (Stratix / Stratix II).
>   You'd think that would make a good benchmark, but maybe it's still a 
> 'work in progress' as they tune the SW.
> 
>   Anyone seen actual numbers or NIOS or NIOS II ?
> 
> -jg

Jim,

Nios v3.2 is the final release of "classic" Nios. It is slated to be
released very soon, and will offer a couple of tweaks for Stratix II
support. For another data point: I ran the "minimal_32" example
through QII 4.0 for both device families and got 2011LEs (Stratix) vs.
1393ALUTs (Stratix II).

Again, Nios 3.2 will officially support Stratix II.

As for Nios II... I cannot comment on that yet, but stay tuned, its
worth waiting for.

Jesse Kempa
Altera Corp.
jkempa at altera dot com

Hi Pete,

petersommerfeld@hotmail.com (Peter Sommerfeld) wrote in message news:<5c4d983.0402041113.563100e4@posting.google.com>...
> Hi Fredrik,
> 
> Are these numbers for a 32-bit Nios with hardware multiply?
> 
> -- Pete

No hardware multiply (used MSTEP), but 32-bit Nios. Design used was
one I used on some Nios traning with DMA and a CRC custom istruction
in it. Also some other goodies for trying out the various features of
the Nios Stratix board.
Cheers
Fredrik
> 
> fredrik_he_lang@hotmail.com (Fredrik) wrote in message news:<77a94d51.0402040058.38e476c9@posting.google.com>...
> > Hi Jim
> > Jim Granville <no.spam@designtools.co.nz> wrote in message news:<14XTb.20607$ws.2742532@news02.tsnz.net>...
> > > snip.
> > >   Anyone seen actual numbers or NIOS or NIOS II ?
> > > 
> > > -jg
> > I did a quick compile in Quartus2_ver4 with Stratix2 and Stratix same
> > Nios design only changed parts. Results in ALUT's compared to LE's is
> > 3202 ALUT (S2) and 4522LE's (S). Push button compile of design no
> > tweaking no logiclock.
> > Cheers
> > Fredrik

Hi Fredrik,

Are these numbers for a 32-bit Nios with hardware multiply?

-- Pete

fredrik_he_lang@hotmail.com (Fredrik) wrote in message news:<77a94d51.0402040058.38e476c9@posting.google.com>...
> Hi Jim
> Jim Granville <no.spam@designtools.co.nz> wrote in message news:<14XTb.20607$ws.2742532@news02.tsnz.net>...
> > snip.
> >   Anyone seen actual numbers or NIOS or NIOS II ?
> > 
> > -jg
> I did a quick compile in Quartus2_ver4 with Stratix2 and Stratix same
> Nios design only changed parts. Results in ALUT's compared to LE's is
> 3202 ALUT (S2) and 4522LE's (S). Push button compile of design no
> tweaking no logiclock.
> Cheers
> Fredrik

Hi Jim
Jim Granville <no.spam@designtools.co.nz> wrote in message news:<14XTb.20607$ws.2742532@news02.tsnz.net>...
> snip.
>   Anyone seen actual numbers or NIOS or NIOS II ?
> 
> -jg
I did a quick compile in Quartus2_ver4 with Stratix2 and Stratix same
Nios design only changed parts. Results in ALUT's compared to LE's is
3202 ALUT (S2) and 4522LE's (S). Push button compile of design no
tweaking no logiclock.
Cheers
Fredrik

Sorry, I haven't looked much at NIOS since it was first introduced (and even
then it wasn't a down and dirty look).

Jim Granville wrote:

> Austin Lesea wrote:
> > Jim,
> >
> > *
> >
> > *.......I have been admonished for commenting on competitors in this
> > forum.  That will have to be left up to others like yourself.
> >
> > A careful review of all of the features of St2 will have to be left to
> > others.
> >
> > Perhaps Ray Andraka can comment on their new ALM architecture?
> > Advantages, disadvantages?
>
>   One thing that was not obvious in a quick trawl thru their info,
> was the relative NIOS sizes (Stratix / Stratix II).
>   You'd think that would make a good benchmark, but maybe it's still a
> 'work in progress' as they tune the SW.
>
>   Anyone seen actual numbers or NIOS or NIOS II ?
>
> -jg

--
--Ray Andraka, P.E.
President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc.
401/884-7930     Fax 401/884-7950
email ray@andraka.com
http://www.andraka.com

 "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little
  temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
                                          -Benjamin Franklin, 1759

Austin Lesea wrote:
> Jim,
> 
> *
> 
> *.......I have been admonished for commenting on competitors in this 
> forum.  That will have to be left up to others like yourself.
> 
> A careful review of all of the features of St2 will have to be left to 
> others.
> 
> Perhaps Ray Andraka can comment on their new ALM architecture? 
> Advantages, disadvantages?

  One thing that was not obvious in a quick trawl thru their info,
was the relative NIOS sizes (Stratix / Stratix II).
  You'd think that would make a good benchmark, but maybe it's still a 
'work in progress' as they tune the SW.

  Anyone seen actual numbers or NIOS or NIOS II ?

-jg

Jim,

*

*.......I have been admonished for commenting on competitors in this 
forum.  That will have to be left up to others like yourself.

A careful review of all of the features of St2 will have to be left to 
others.

Perhaps Ray Andraka can comment on their new ALM architecture? 
Advantages, disadvantages?

Austin

Jim Granville wrote:
>  Oops, I missed one - in addition to
>  http://www.altera.com/products/devices/stratix2/st2-index.jsp
> 
>  more FPGA direction indicators are also here :-
> 
>  http://www.leopardlogic.com/news/index.php
> 
>  As to anxious, anxiety, or over-anxious etc, perhaps the
> subject "ASMBL anxiety" says it all...  :)
> 
> -jg
> 
> Austin Lesea wrote:
> 
>> Jim,
>>
>> anxious -
>>
>>    "1. Uneasy and apprehensive about an uncertain event or matter; 
>> worried.
>>    2. Attended with, showing, or causing anxiety: spent an anxious 
>> night waiting for the test results.
>>    3. Usage Problem. Eagerly or earnestly desirous.
>>
>>
>> [From Latin nxius, from angere, to torment. See angh- in Indo-European 
>> Roots.]anxious�ly adv.
>> anxious�ness n.
>>
>>     Usage Note: Anxious has a long history of use roughly as a synonym 
>> for eager, but many prefer that anxious be used only when its subject 
>> is worried or uneasy about the anticipated event. In the traditional 
>> view, one may say We are anxious to see the strike settled soon but 
>> not We are anxious to see the new show of British sculpture at the 
>> museum. Fifty-two percent of the Usage Panel rejects anxious in the 
>> latter sentence. But general adoption of anxious to mean �eager� is 
>> understandable, at least in colloquial discourse, since it provides a 
>> means of adding emotional urgency to an assertion. It implies that the 
>> subject so strongly desires a certain outcome that frustration of that 
>> desire will lead to unhappiness. In this way, it resembles the 
>> informal adjective dying in sentences such as I'm dying to see your 
>> new baby."
>>
>> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=anxious
>>
>> Austin
>>
> 

  Oops, I missed one - in addition to
  http://www.altera.com/products/devices/stratix2/st2-index.jsp

  more FPGA direction indicators are also here :-

  http://www.leopardlogic.com/news/index.php

  As to anxious, anxiety, or over-anxious etc, perhaps the
subject "ASMBL anxiety" says it all...  :)

-jg

Austin Lesea wrote:
> Jim,
> 
> anxious -
> 
>    "1. Uneasy and apprehensive about an uncertain event or matter; worried.
>    2. Attended with, showing, or causing anxiety: spent an anxious night 
> waiting for the test results.
>    3. Usage Problem. Eagerly or earnestly desirous.
> 
> 
> [From Latin nxius, from angere, to torment. See angh- in Indo-European 
> Roots.]anxious�ly adv.
> anxious�ness n.
> 
>     Usage Note: Anxious has a long history of use roughly as a synonym 
> for eager, but many prefer that anxious be used only when its subject is 
> worried or uneasy about the anticipated event. In the traditional view, 
> one may say We are anxious to see the strike settled soon but not We are 
> anxious to see the new show of British sculpture at the museum. 
> Fifty-two percent of the Usage Panel rejects anxious in the latter 
> sentence. But general adoption of anxious to mean �eager� is 
> understandable, at least in colloquial discourse, since it provides a 
> means of adding emotional urgency to an assertion. It implies that the 
> subject so strongly desires a certain outcome that frustration of that 
> desire will lead to unhappiness. In this way, it resembles the informal 
> adjective dying in sentences such as I'm dying to see your new baby."
> 
> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=anxious
> 
> Austin
>