Looking for MMI M2018 LCA data sheet

Hello,

I'm a collector and tinkerer of old, archaic devices, and I recently 
came across a MMI M2018-20CP (date code 81xx) in a PGA package.

I've found the M2064 data sheet, but I can't seem to track down the 
M2018 data sheet from MMI/AMD. I'm also looking for the MMI XACT tools 
of the same era that would support generating the data pattern (what we 
might call a configuration bitstream these days) from RTL.

Any and all pointers are appreciated!

--- Zach
(replace the ask me with pobox, and the please with zmetzing)

On Friday, May 15, 2020 at 12:50:45 PM UTC-4, Zach Metzinger wrote:
> Hello,
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> I'm a collector and tinkerer of old, archaic devices, and I recently=20
> came across a MMI M2018-20CP (date code 81xx) in a PGA package.
>=20
> I've found the M2064 data sheet, but I can't seem to track down the=20
> M2018 data sheet from MMI/AMD. I'm also looking for the MMI XACT tools=20
> of the same era that would support generating the data pattern (what we=
=20
> might call a configuration bitstream these days) from RTL.
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> Any and all pointers are appreciated!

You can fix your sig so newsreaders automatically remove it in replies. =20

As to your problem, not so sure.  I know who AMD is, but is MMI one of the =
CPLD makers?  Did Xilinx buy MMI?  XACT is a Xilinx trademark for their ver=
y ancient development software.  I used to have copies, but gave them away =
to someone who said he would give it a good home.  I don't think the dongle=
 ever turned up, but they are easy to make (it was a down counter with a ca=
rry out after some number of pulses) and there are software cracks.  If I f=
ind who that guy is I'll let him know someone in c.a.f is looking for him.=
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So is this what you are looking for, Xilinx software?=20

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On 05/15/20 13:23, Rick C wrote:

> You can fix your sig so newsreaders automatically remove it in replies.

Not sure what you're referring to. I do that to avoid automatic scraping 
of my email address.

>  XACT is a Xilinx trademark for their very ancient development software.  I used to have copies, but gave them away to someone who said he would give it a good home.  I don't think the dongle ever turned up, but they are easy to make (it was a down counter with a carry out after some number of pulses) and there are software cracks.  If I find who that guy is I'll let him know someone in c.a.f is looking for him.

I need XACT that supports the M2018, which Xilinx had a cross part for 
(XC2018-xx). I can probably figure out the dongle situation with a debugger.

Before anyone says "just use something recent": This is for a 
period-piece design, so modern wouldn't be appropriate. I've got 
hundreds of FPGAs and CPLDs, spanning many decades.

I doubt Xilinx will care much that I'm asking for obsolete software. :-)

I did find the data sheet from archive.org, buried in the MMI LCA 
Applications Handbook, so I have a pinout now.

Also looks like I'm about 19 years behind someone else on the quest:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.arch.fpga/1lPu9RgVN00

--- Zach

On 05/15/20 13:39, Zach Metzinger wrote:

> I need XACT that supports the M2018, which Xilinx had a cross part for 
> (XC2018-xx). I can probably figure out the dongle situation with a 
> debugger.

Nevermind! I seem to have solved this problem 4 years ago, and bit-rot 
got those neurons.

--- Zach

On Friday, May 15, 2020 at 2:39:32 PM UTC-4, Zach Metzinger wrote:
> On 05/15/20 13:23, Rick C wrote:
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> > You can fix your sig so newsreaders automatically remove it in replies.
>=20
> Not sure what you're referring to. I do that to avoid automatic scraping=
=20
> of my email address.

Not talking about that.  BTW, I can't see what you've entered as the fake e=
mail address through google groups, so no idea what I'm altering. =20

I'm talking about the dashes.  If you start your sig with a line of two das=
hes and a space and nothing else, it is a flag to newsreaders of the start =
of a sig and it is automatically trimmed in a reply.  Many people don't bot=
her with that, but the polite ones do.=20

Mine is that way.=20


> >  XACT is a Xilinx trademark for their very ancient development software=
.  I used to have copies, but gave them away to someone who said he would g=
ive it a good home.  I don't think the dongle ever turned up, but they are =
easy to make (it was a down counter with a carry out after some number of p=
ulses) and there are software cracks.  If I find who that guy is I'll let h=
im know someone in c.a.f is looking for him.
>=20
> I need XACT that supports the M2018, which Xilinx had a cross part for=20
> (XC2018-xx). I can probably figure out the dongle situation with a debugg=
er.
>=20
> Before anyone says "just use something recent": This is for a=20
> period-piece design, so modern wouldn't be appropriate. I've got=20
> hundreds of FPGAs and CPLDs, spanning many decades.
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> I doubt Xilinx will care much that I'm asking for obsolete software. :-)

Not certain they still offer it, but at one time they still had a download =
of the "classic" software buried in a corner of the web site.  You might fi=
nd it if you nose around or maybe a google search XACT site:xilinx.com ???


> I did find the data sheet from archive.org, buried in the MMI LCA=20
> Applications Handbook, so I have a pinout now.
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> Also looks like I'm about 19 years behind someone else on the quest:
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> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.arch.fpga/1lPu9RgVN00

Wow!  That's from 2001!  The guy I gave my tools to was likely posting here=
, but it would have been in the last 10 years.  I did a quick search and di=
dn't find the email so I'm doing a full search of all my email for the last=
 20 years.  It will take a bit even on a modern computer.=20

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On Friday, May 15, 2020 at 2:57:01 PM UTC-4, Zach Metzinger wrote:
> On 05/15/20 13:39, Zach Metzinger wrote:
> 
> > I need XACT that supports the M2018, which Xilinx had a cross part for 
> > (XC2018-xx). I can probably figure out the dongle situation with a 
> > debugger.
> 
> Nevermind! I seem to have solved this problem 4 years ago, and bit-rot 
> got those neurons.
> 
> --- Zach

Oh, how did you solve it? 

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  Rick C.

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On 05/15/20 14:06, Rick C wrote:
> Oh, how did you solve it?

A friend of mine had this laying around (XACT 5.1), and I still have it 
sitting in a box from him.

Hurrah!

--- Zach

On Friday, May 15, 2020 at 4:15:41 PM UTC-4, Zach Metzinger wrote:
> On 05/15/20 14:06, Rick C wrote:
> > Oh, how did you solve it?
> 
> A friend of mine had this laying around (XACT 5.1), and I still have it 
> sitting in a box from him.

Do you have the parallel port dongle?  People have explained in very high level terms how to crack the software so you don't need the dongle.  Since PCs don't have parallel ports anymore, that might be the best way to go anyhow. 

Good luck, 

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Zach Metzinger <please@ask.me> wrote:
> On 05/15/20 14:06, Rick C wrote:
> > Oh, how did you solve it?
> 
> A friend of mine had this laying around (XACT 5.1), and I still have it 
> sitting in a box from him.

Hmm, perhaps it would be a good idea to have an archive of old FPGA tools.

It could be worth submitting it to the Internet Archive (archive.org) - they
let you upload old software and documents.  I assume they have some kind of
copyright waiver to allow them to do this.

They don't have a whole lot of FPGA tools at present, but they have some
nice Xilinx 5.25" floppies...
https://archive.org/details/XilinxBorgDisks

Theo

On Friday, May 15, 2020 at 5:51:43 PM UTC-4, Theo wrote:
> Zach Metzinger <please@ask.me> wrote:
> > On 05/15/20 14:06, Rick C wrote:
> > > Oh, how did you solve it?
> > 
> > A friend of mine had this laying around (XACT 5.1), and I still have it 
> > sitting in a box from him.
> 
> Hmm, perhaps it would be a good idea to have an archive of old FPGA tools.
> 
> It could be worth submitting it to the Internet Archive (archive.org) - they
> let you upload old software and documents.  I assume they have some kind of
> copyright waiver to allow them to do this.
> 
> They don't have a whole lot of FPGA tools at present, but they have some
> nice Xilinx 5.25" floppies...
> https://archive.org/details/XilinxBorgDisks
> 
> Theo

Wow!  I've got a very popular schematic editor (and expensive) from that time frame (early 90's) sitting in my basement on 3.5" floppies, 10 or 20 of them.  I can't recall the name.  I think it had "view" in the name, but not Labview, that was something very different.  We used it for the FPGA designs before HDL.  I still have this.  Forgot all about it.  

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