Re: Never buy Altera!!!!

You can use a TCL script in ModelSim to at least setup the simulation environment 
and wave window the way you want.  Each time you want get the setup just 
type do filename.do in ModelSim's command window.  ModelSim is also good 
in that it gives you the the TCL command equivalent for most of the options 
you select and actions you take in the GUI (probably because that is how 
their kludgy GUI actually communicates to the simulation program).


---Matthew Hicks


> Jeff Cunningham wrote:
> 
>> Jon Elson wrote:
>> 
>>> ...  (I don't know why anyone would WANT to use ModelSim, it seems
>>> insanely creaky and cumbersome, and I have to relearn the DAMN thing
>>> every time I use it.) ...
>>> 
>> Jon,
>> I've always rather liked modelsim (not its price!) - but I'm not
>> defending it - I'm just curious if you know of any better solutions
>> for
>> simulation.
>> -Jeff
> I had better first explain I am stuck with Xilinx's ise 4.2 due to the
> later versions not supporting 5 V FPGAs.  I am getting ready to move
> some of my products to newer chips, but still see no need to pay even
> more $ to Xilinx.  So, Maybe Modelsim has improved since the version I
> use.   Part of it is I don't use it often enough to remember where to
> find internal signals, and have to poke around in a hierarchy of menus
> to find what I want and get it on the screen.  I've never figured out
> how to save that setup and get it back again for the next sim run.
> Maybe I need to do some serious RTFM.
> 
> Jon
> 

You can use a TCL script in ModelSim to at least setup the simulation environment 
and wave window the way you want.  Each time you want get the setup just 
type do filename.do in ModelSim's command window.  ModelSim is also good 
in that it gives you the the TCL command equivalent for most of the options 
you select and actions you take in the GUI (probably because that is how 
their kludgy GUI actually communicates to the simulation program).


---Matthew Hicks


> Jeff Cunningham wrote:
> 
>> Jon Elson wrote:
>> 
>>> ...  (I don't know why anyone would WANT to use ModelSim, it seems
>>> insanely creaky and cumbersome, and I have to relearn the DAMN thing
>>> every time I use it.) ...
>>> 
>> Jon,
>> I've always rather liked modelsim (not its price!) - but I'm not
>> defending it - I'm just curious if you know of any better solutions
>> for
>> simulation.
>> -Jeff
> I had better first explain I am stuck with Xilinx's ise 4.2 due to the
> later versions not supporting 5 V FPGAs.  I am getting ready to move
> some of my products to newer chips, but still see no need to pay even
> more $ to Xilinx.  So, Maybe Modelsim has improved since the version I
> use.   Part of it is I don't use it often enough to remember where to
> find internal signals, and have to poke around in a hierarchy of menus
> to find what I want and get it on the screen.  I've never figured out
> how to save that setup and get it back again for the next sim run.
> Maybe I need to do some serious RTFM.
> 
> Jon
> 

On Sep 28, 7:13 pm, Matthew Hicks <mdhic...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
> You can use a TCL script in ModelSim to at least setup the simulation environment
> and wave window the way you want.  Each time you want get the setup just
> type do filename.do in ModelSim's command window.  ModelSim is also good
> in that it gives you the the TCL command equivalent for most of the options
> you select and actions you take in the GUI (probably because that is how
> their kludgy GUI actually communicates to the simulation program).
>
> ---Matthew Hicks
>

Modelsim.ini is another way to set up many parameters including
default simulation run time, default display radix...