What happened to the Cyclone IV?

According to Altera's 2005 roadmap it was supposed to be available
shortly after the Stratix IV and far earlier than Stratix IV GX and
Hardcopy IV.

Philipp

Philipp Klaus Krause wrote:
> According to Altera's 2005 roadmap it was supposed to be available
> shortly after the Stratix IV and far earlier than Stratix IV GX and
> Hardcopy IV.

Is that the same road-map that shows the MAX-III CPLD ;)

-jg

Jim Granville schrieb:
> Philipp Klaus Krause wrote:
>> According to Altera's 2005 roadmap it was supposed to be available
>> shortly after the Stratix IV and far earlier than Stratix IV GX and
>> Hardcopy IV.
> 
> Is that the same road-map that shows the MAX-III CPLD ;)

No, that one's from 2004.

Though thinking about both of them not appearing it seems Altera is
getting out of the low-cost programmable logic market. They continue to
produce and sell what they have but don't design new products.
There's probably a lot more money to be made in high-end programmable
logic devices.

Philipp

Philipp Klaus Krause wrote:

> Though thinking about both of them not appearing it seems Altera is
> getting out of the low-cost programmable logic market. They continue to
> produce and sell what they have but don't design new products.

But they are still in business...

> There's probably a lot more money to be made in high-end programmable
> logic devices.

.. and that may be why.

             -- Mike Treseler

Philipp Klaus Krause wrote:
> Jim Granville schrieb:
> 
>>Philipp Klaus Krause wrote:
>>
>>>According to Altera's 2005 roadmap it was supposed to be available
>>>shortly after the Stratix IV and far earlier than Stratix IV GX and
>>>Hardcopy IV.
>>
>>Is that the same road-map that shows the MAX-III CPLD ;)
> 
> 
> No, that one's from 2004.
> 
> Though thinking about both of them not appearing it seems Altera is
> getting out of the low-cost programmable logic market. They continue to
> produce and sell what they have but don't design new products.
> There's probably a lot more money to be made in high-end programmable
> logic devices.

True, Even the MAX 3000 is now hard to find on their web site,
[Home.Products misses the MAX 3000, so you have to know it exists :) ]
The MAX 7000 is further back still.

Lattice and Atmel have the newest CPLD's available, and Actel seem to
be pushing their smallest Flash FPGA  devices down into the sub $1 
region, with an 86MC-equivalent granular CPLD.
Actel seem to be the most package-aware supplier.

Xilinx meanwhile, seems content to 'ride out' their Coolrunner2 product 
line.

-jg

It's quite interesting part of the market at the moment. I think if
Xilinx and Altera had truely low power FPGAs then their respective
Coolrunner and Max-II parts might not be shipping very much. We just
replaced a 128 macrocell CPLD with a XC3S50AN because it was cheaper
and of course far more functional. If we had the same part, plus
ideally 5V tolerance, from either Xilinx or Altera the CPLD market
might be gone.

The Actel and Silicon Blue offerings look quite good but either a
small choice, or none, in non-QFN and non-BGA packages probably means
these guys just want the high volume markets and the little guy once
more isn't of interest. Some support for TQ144 or PQ208 would gain
these parts some popularity.

John Adair
Enterpoint Ltd.

On 15 Nov, 22:02, Jim Granville <no.s...@designtools.maps.co.nz>
wrote:
> Philipp Klaus Krause wrote:
> > Jim Granville schrieb:
>
> >>Philipp Klaus Krause wrote:
>
> >>>According to Altera's 2005 roadmap it was supposed to be available
> >>>shortly after the Stratix IV and far earlier than Stratix IV GX and
> >>>Hardcopy IV.
>
> >>Is that the same road-map that shows the MAX-III CPLD ;)
>
> > No, that one's from 2004.
>
> > Though thinking about both of them not appearing it seems Altera is
> > getting out of the low-cost programmable logic market. They continue to
> > produce and sell what they have but don't design new products.
> > There's probably a lot more money to be made in high-end programmable
> > logic devices.
>
> True, Even the MAX 3000 is now hard to find on their web site,
> [Home.Products misses the MAX 3000, so you have to know it exists :) ]
> The MAX 7000 is further back still.
>
> Lattice and Atmel have the newest CPLD's available, and Actel seem to
> be pushing their smallest Flash FPGA =A0devices down into the sub $1
> region, with an 86MC-equivalent granular CPLD.
> Actel seem to be the most package-aware supplier.
>
> Xilinx meanwhile, seems content to 'ride out' their Coolrunner2 product
> line.
>
> -jg- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

On Nov 16, 2:17=A0am, John Adair <g...@enterpoint.co.uk> wrote:
[snip[
> The Actel and Silicon Blue offerings look quite good but either a
> small choice, or none, in non-QFN and non-BGA packages probably means
> these guys just want the high volume markets and the little guy once
> more isn't of interest. Some support for TQ144 or PQ208 would gain
> these parts some popularity.
>
> John Adair
> Enterpoint Ltd.

SiliconBlue does have a VQ100 package on their roadmap, although I
don't know if it's available today or not.

-- Steve Knapp
   Prevailing Technology, Inc.
   www.preavailing-technology.com