On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 2:23:24 PM UTC+5:30, Revanth Kamaraj wrote:> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 2:16:23 PM UTC+5:30, Revanth Kamaraj wrote: > > The closest thing the design might resemble is an xscale machine by Intel. > > *partially, not as complex as XScale.The project was done at my final semester in University (2016 MS(EE) grad). My intentions for ZAP are purely non commercial and academic. However, if this project might give me problems legally, is it wise to put it on Github as open source? Regards, Revanth.
ZAP : An open source ARM processor (feedback)
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Reply by ●May 30, 20172017-05-30
Reply by ●May 30, 20172017-05-30
Den tirsdag den 30. maj 2017 kl. 17.53.36 UTC+2 skrev Revanth Kamaraj:> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 2:23:24 PM UTC+5:30, Revanth Kamaraj wrote: > > On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 2:16:23 PM UTC+5:30, Revanth Kamaraj wrote: > > > The closest thing the design might resemble is an xscale machine by Intel. > > > > *partially, not as complex as XScale. > > The project was done at my final semester in University (2016 MS(EE) grad). My intentions for ZAP are purely non commercial and academic. However, if this project might give me problems legally, is it wise to put it on Github as open source? >unless you got some secrets from ARM that you at not allowed to show others I don't see how it could get you in trouble patents are not secrets
Reply by ●May 30, 20172017-05-30
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 12:23:25 PM UTC-4, lasselangwad...@gmail.com wrote:> Den tirsdag den 30. maj 2017 kl. 17.53.36 UTC+2 skrev Revanth Kamaraj: > > On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 2:23:24 PM UTC+5:30, Revanth Kamaraj wrote: > > > On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 2:16:23 PM UTC+5:30, Revanth Kamaraj wrote: > > > > The closest thing the design might resemble is an xscale machine by Intel. > > > > > > *partially, not as complex as XScale. > > > > The project was done at my final semester in University (2016 MS(EE) grad). My intentions for ZAP are purely non commercial and academic. However, if this project might give me problems legally, is it wise to put it on Github as open source? > > > > unless you got some secrets from ARM that you at not allowed to show others I > don't see how it could get you in trouble > > patents are not secretsAgree. Worst case they'll ask you to take it down and prohibit you from using those algorithms in future projects. I'm very impressed by your work. Thank you, Rick C. Hodgin
Reply by ●May 30, 20172017-05-30
Revanth Kamaraj wrote on 5/30/2017 11:53 AM:> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 2:23:24 PM UTC+5:30, Revanth Kamaraj wrote: >> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 2:16:23 PM UTC+5:30, Revanth Kamaraj wrote: >>> The closest thing the design might resemble is an xscale machine by Intel. >> >> *partially, not as complex as XScale. > > The project was done at my final semester in University (2016 MS(EE) grad). My intentions for ZAP are purely non commercial and academic. However, if this project might give me problems legally, is it wise to put it on Github as open source?That's why I brought up the issue. I don't think ARM is malevolent. They are only interested in protecting their intellectual property. As you point out their work is over 22 years old it is unlikely they have any current patents. Since these are CPU designs that have been superseded by a number of newer designs, they likely have no more financial interest in them. Wanna code up an ARM CM7? ;) -- Rick C
Reply by ●May 31, 20172017-05-31
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 10:12:48 PM UTC+5:30, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 12:23:25 PM UTC-4, lasselangwad...@gmail.com wrote: > > Den tirsdag den 30. maj 2017 kl. 17.53.36 UTC+2 skrev Revanth Kamaraj: > > > On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 2:23:24 PM UTC+5:30, Revanth Kamaraj wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 2:16:23 PM UTC+5:30, Revanth Kamaraj wrote: > > > > > The closest thing the design might resemble is an xscale machine by Intel. > > > > > > > > *partially, not as complex as XScale. > > > > > > The project was done at my final semester in University (2016 MS(EE) grad). My intentions for ZAP are purely non commercial and academic. However, if this project might give me problems legally, is it wise to put it on Github as open source? > > > > > > > unless you got some secrets from ARM that you at not allowed to show others I > > don't see how it could get you in trouble > > > > patents are not secrets > > Agree. Worst case they'll ask you to take it down and prohibit you > from using those algorithms in future projects. > > I'm very impressed by your work. > > Thank you, > Rick C. HodginThanks.
Reply by ●May 31, 20172017-05-31
On 5/29/17 10:40 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:> On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 1:44:25 AM UTC-4, rickman wrote: >> ...I found a reddit page where you talk about patents and other things >> last December. So I guess none of this is news to you. :) ... > > I would just like to state how damaging patents and intellectual property > rights are to the advancement of mankind. They are nice for the private > advancement of a few, but they do not serve mankind well in any way, > shape, or form. Even the incentive for profit they might bring for the > hard workers is not sufficient to override the loss to humanity when the > ability to learn and alter freely the cumulative knowledge of man is > suppressed by artificial means, such as by legal erections around otherwise > unencumbered concepts. > > Patents, copyrights, and "intellectual property" rights are all evil, > of the devil, and serve to enslave us rather than free us. > > Thank you, > Rick C. Hodgin >Rick, as I have said before, if you truly believe this then your only real option is to cease IMMEDIATELY using anything covered by current IP restrictions (and that would include any open source products with restrictive licenses like the GNU licenses). Anything short is hypocrisy, which is sinful. I realize this is basically impossible. One key factor you refuse to acknowledge is that most of the resources you want to use only came about BECAUSE of the existing IP laws allow companies to be willing to spend money on research and development knowing that they will be able to earn money on the results.
Reply by ●May 31, 20172017-05-31
On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 4:40:26 PM UTC-4, Richard Damon wrote:> On 5/29/17 10:40 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > > On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 1:44:25 AM UTC-4, rickman wrote: > >> ...I found a reddit page where you talk about patents and other things > >> last December. So I guess none of this is news to you. :) ... > > > > I would just like to state how damaging patents and intellectual property > > rights are to the advancement of mankind. They are nice for the private > > advancement of a few, but they do not serve mankind well in any way, > > shape, or form. Even the incentive for profit they might bring for the > > hard workers is not sufficient to override the loss to humanity when the > > ability to learn and alter freely the cumulative knowledge of man is > > suppressed by artificial means, such as by legal erections around otherwise > > unencumbered concepts. > > > > Patents, copyrights, and "intellectual property" rights are all evil, > > of the devil, and serve to enslave us rather than free us. > > > > Thank you, > > Rick C. Hodgin > > > > Rick, as I have said before, if you truly believe this then your only > real option is to cease IMMEDIATELY using anything covered by current IP > restrictions (and that would include any open source products with > restrictive licenses like the GNU licenses). Anything short is > hypocrisy, which is sinful. > > I realize this is basically impossible.I am creating a complete hardware and software stack that is not only fully open, but is in the public domain. It's the best I have to offer given the skills I have. There's a verse in the Bible that says where a man is when he's received by the Lord, let him remain in his station. If he was married before, let him not seek to become married, if unmarried then let him not seek to become married, etc. It's 1 Cor 7:20: http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_corinthians/7.htm 17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches. 18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised. 19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. 20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called. 21 Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather. 22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant. 23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men. 24 Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God. I became a Christian in 2004. At that point, I was very much a MSVC developer, with a passion for writing my own operating system. And I wrestled for many years with considerations along the lines of those you outline. If you're interested in reading my thoughts about it you can find them on either Universal Thread or Foxite (and/or both) as well as on the comp.lang.c group and comp.lang.c++ from around 2013 or 2014. I finally concluded that the Lord called me as I was, and whereas I was at that time seeking to create an alternative to Microsoft products, I would continue doing that work, only instead of simply doing it for the sake of doing it, now I would be doing it for the Lord. A lot of people have tried to pin that yoke of oppression around my shoulders, including me. But in the Lord we are free, and turning whatever criminal things there are in this world around and so they are made into an offering unto God ... that is NEVER a wrong thing, provided the initial thing is not sinful in the first place (such as a newly saved prostitute doesn't become a prostitute for Jesus, for example). My goals are to literally create a full machine that will rival Intel and AMD, as well as eventually Motorola and Apple in mobile devices, but one that is a complete public domain offering, so that everyone has access to all IP, is able to examine the hardware, software, firmware, and every other layer of protocol transmission, so they can know they have a reliable device that is a tool, with powerful software that's extensible, and that none of it is being done for money, but all of it is being done to help people have better lives with this amazing technology gift the Lord has given us. You should do the same in the areas you have interest, Richard. It would behoove you (in regards to eternal considerations, for all our works given over to Him will persist into eternity, but all we do here for stuff here's sake will be burned up, see 1 Corinthians 3:14).> One key factor you refuse to acknowledge is that most of the resources > you want to use only came about BECAUSE of the existing IP laws allow > companies to be willing to spend money on research and development > knowing that they will be able to earn money on the results.I do not refuse to acknowledge it. I also acknowledge that we have "freedom" in the U.S because people went to war and killed other human beings. That does not make it right, nor is it what God wanted. I am simply restoring the things I have personal control over to a place where I am able to do something about it, unto God. It is my best offering in this world, and I do it gladly and with great passion. You can listen to me discuss all of this if you like. It was recorded in another video I made back in 2012. If you fast-forward to about 30 minutes in or so, you'll hear me begin to discuss it: http://www.visual-freepro.org/videos/2012_12_08__01_vvmmc__and_vfrps_relationship_to_christianity.ogv Maybe it will inspire you, Richard. Thank you, Rick C. Hodgin
Reply by ●June 2, 20172017-06-02
On 5/31/17 5:29 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:> On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 4:40:26 PM UTC-4, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 5/29/17 10:40 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: >>> >>> Patents, copyrights, and "intellectual property" rights are all evil, >>> of the devil, and serve to enslave us rather than free us. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Rick C. Hodgin >>> >> >> Rick, as I have said before, if you truly believe this then your only >> real option is to cease IMMEDIATELY using anything covered by current IP >> restrictions (and that would include any open source products with >> restrictive licenses like the GNU licenses). Anything short is >> hypocrisy, which is sinful. >> >> I realize this is basically impossible. > > I am creating a complete hardware and software stack that is not > only fully open, but is in the public domain. > > It's the best I have to offer given the skills I have. > > There's a verse in the Bible that says where a man is when he's > received by the Lord, let him remain in his station. If he was > married before, let him not seek to become married, if unmarried > then let him not seek to become married, etc. It's 1 Cor 7:20: > > http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_corinthians/7.htm > > 17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath > called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all > churches. > 18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become > uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not > be circumcised. > 19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but > the keeping of the commandments of God. > 20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called. > > 21 Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou > mayest be made free, use it rather. > 22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the > Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, > is Christ's servant. > 23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men. > 24 Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide > with God. > > I became a Christian in 2004. At that point, I was very much a MSVC > developer, with a passion for writing my own operating system. And > I wrestled for many years with considerations along the lines of > those you outline. If you're interested in reading my thoughts about > it you can find them on either Universal Thread or Foxite (and/or > both) as well as on the comp.lang.c group and comp.lang.c++ from > around 2013 or 2014. > > I finally concluded that the Lord called me as I was, and whereas I > was at that time seeking to create an alternative to Microsoft > products, I would continue doing that work, only instead of simply > doing it for the sake of doing it, now I would be doing it for the > Lord.I have nothing against you deciding that you feel you want to do something like this as a service to the Lord. Each of us is called to use are talents to our best to service him. I do have some concerns about you declaring that it is truly Gods calling for you to achieve this, as it is my belief that God provides the power to ultimately achieve what he truly call us to, and I have serious doubts that you have been given the needed skill/talents to achieve your mission. I will accept God having directed you on this path as a demonstration of faith and persistence.> > A lot of people have tried to pin that yoke of oppression around my > shoulders, including me. But in the Lord we are free, and turning > whatever criminal things there are in this world around and so they > are made into an offering unto God ... that is NEVER a wrong thing, > provided the initial thing is not sinful in the first place (such > as a newly saved prostitute doesn't become a prostitute for Jesus, > for example). > > My goals are to literally create a full machine that will rival > Intel and AMD, as well as eventually Motorola and Apple in mobile > devices, but one that is a complete public domain offering, so > that everyone has access to all IP, is able to examine the hardware, > software, firmware, and every other layer of protocol transmission, > so they can know they have a reliable device that is a tool, with > powerful software that's extensible, and that none of it is being > done for money, but all of it is being done to help people have > better lives with this amazing technology gift the Lord has given > us. > > You should do the same in the areas you have interest, Richard. It > would behoove you (in regards to eternal considerations, for all our > works given over to Him will persist into eternity, but all we do > here for stuff here's sake will be burned up, see 1 Corinthians 3:14). > >> One key factor you refuse to acknowledge is that most of the resources >> you want to use only came about BECAUSE of the existing IP laws allow >> companies to be willing to spend money on research and development >> knowing that they will be able to earn money on the results. > > I do not refuse to acknowledge it. I also acknowledge that we have > "freedom" in the U.S because people went to war and killed other > human beings. That does not make it right, nor is it what God > wanted. >If you think the IP laws are 'EVIL', then you need to treat it as evil and flee from it. All the examples you point to were people not in 'Evil', but in less then perfect situations. Circumcision, being a servant, or married to a non-believer isn't an 'Evil' State, or 'From the Devil', maybe not the best, but not something that had to change. Those who were in sinful situations (like the prostitutes that Jesus forgave) were told to leave that evil lifestyle. They couldn't continue using evil to try and do good. Consider also, the food sacrificed to idols, those who thought it was impure due to is source were told too refrain from it, so if you thing IP law is evil, you should similarly refrain from using its fruits. Perhaps part of your problem is that you don't really understand what is 'Evil', or what is the Devils plans.> I am simply restoring the things I have personal control over to > a place where I am able to do something about it, unto God. It is > my best offering in this world, and I do it gladly and with great > passion. > > You can listen to me discuss all of this if you like. It was > recorded in another video I made back in 2012. If you fast-forward > to about 30 minutes in or so, you'll hear me begin to discuss it: > > http://www.visual-freepro.org/videos/2012_12_08__01_vvmmc__and_vfrps_relationship_to_christianity.ogv > > Maybe it will inspire you, Richard. > > Thank you, > Rick C. Hodgin >Lastly, and please try not to take this wrong, though you claim to know the Lord, and want to try to do you best for him, I am not so sure you really do know him. You misuse the bible as a sledgehammer to attempt to drive evil out of people instead of showing them the true gospel to draw them to righteousness. Let me ask you to study the scriptures to see how Jesus, and his followers spread the message, The did NOT go out into the public square and blast random people with a message that people were bad and needed to change. Yes, they did tell people to repent, but that message was given to people who came to them. wanting to know the message. One of my other concerns is that I do not see much of the fruits of the spirit in your words. For example in Gal 5:22-23 we are told that the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. These are things that should be evident in the life of someone who is being lead by the Spirit. Also the Spirit lead man should be focused on the things above, but your driving force seems much more to bring a 'heaven-on-earth' of 'Free Computing' then on truly trying to save souls. I do believe you are strongly devoted to God, and that you are trying too do your best that you can for him. I see much of myself in you from 30 years ago before I truly found the Lord after careful study of the word with someone who knew the word and the Lord well. I will not say that I have any certainty of knowledge of your current eternal path, just that I think it would be beneficial for you to examine yourself, just like I had to too come to know the Lord, and the many times thereafter to know him better. If you want to talk about this more, I suggest you can contact me off group, as this really isn't relevant to the newsgroup.
Reply by ●June 3, 20172017-06-03
Richard Damon wrote on 6/2/2017 9:26 PM: <<< Snipped a great deal of off topic crap >>>> If you want to talk about this more, I suggest you can contact me off group, > as this really isn't relevant to the newsgroup.Why didn't you contact him directly off group rather than muddy up the place further? -- Rick C
Reply by ●June 3, 20172017-06-03
