Where is the xilinx online store gone?

Mike Harrison schrieb:
> Doesn't have to be small, just differently targeted - e.g. Digikey,
> Mouser.

Kolja Sulimma wrote:
> Those carry only a portion of the devices, usually stocking them. I need
> someone who also orders parts with long lead time for me, but without
> whining that I only want 100 parts.

Digikey apparently does that for TI these days.  When you order samples
on the TI web site, they're processed by Digikey.  The paperwork all
says "TI", but it's from Digikey's address.  Presumably TI makes sure
that Digikey is able to fill sample orders even for parts Digikey
doesn't normally stock.  Or maybe TI still does some of their own
fulfillment when it's for items Digikey doesn't stock.

Since Digikey is already a Xilinx distributor, and since they already do
a great job of dealing with small orders, this would seem to be a much
more logical arrangement than having Avnet do it.

Anyhow, Digikey seems to to at as good or better a job as Avnet at
stocking Xilinx parts.  If you click on the parts listed in the Xilinx
"store" and wind up on the Avnet page, almost everything is listed as
"out of stock", and a lot of valid device/package combinations simply
aren't listed at all.

One gets the impression that Avnet only stocks the Xilinx parts for
which they're already getting large customer orders.  That's not
surprising, and I'm not criticizing them for it, but it's not the ideal
modus operandi for an online web store intended to service small orders.

On the other hand, I haven't had any trouble buying starter kits and
eval boards from Avnet.

Eric

We never had problems ordering from NuHorizons, either from their web
site or from the local rep. We typicaly order SP3 in quantity of 160
every 3-4 months but ordered less (50) for our first prototype batches.
We also order other parts from them in similar quantities.

Just like any other distributor, you sometime have to wait for the
parts to be in stock but so far we never had to wait more than 6 weeks
for SP3s.

One  thing with NuHorizons, they do charge a minimum for shipping that
is quite high if you order only 1-10 parts.

Patrick Robin
http://atelierrobin.net

Labo.EKO <labo.eko***nospam***@free.fr> wrote:


> hi everybody,

> maybe we can do a petition about this xilinx store ?...
> i'm French user and i can affirm that Avnet France, preferer (to not says
> want ) only big customers ..
> they are slow and expensive.. totaly incompatible with prototype phase.

> Maybe Xilinx prefer that we try Lattice or others parts ?...

> i'm realy not happy against that problem. they can be take example from
> Microchip & sample service ...

> ( sorry for my bad english ! )

I also plea for Xilinx keeping/reinstatiating the Online Shop. Dealing with
distributors for prototyping is not an easy task...

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On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:58:53 +0000 (UTC), Uwe Bonnes <bon@hertz.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de> wrote:

>Labo.EKO <labo.eko***nospam***@free.fr> wrote:
>
>
>> hi everybody,
>
>> maybe we can do a petition about this xilinx store ?...
>> i'm French user and i can affirm that Avnet France, preferer (to not says
>> want ) only big customers ..
>> they are slow and expensive.. totaly incompatible with prototype phase.
>
>> Maybe Xilinx prefer that we try Lattice or others parts ?...
>
>> i'm realy not happy against that problem. they can be take example from
>> Microchip & sample service ...
>
>> ( sorry for my bad english ! )
>
>I also plea for Xilinx keeping/reinstatiating the Online Shop. Dealing with
>distributors for prototyping is not an easy task...

Agreed - the problem is that distis are always chasing after sales, but prototyping is done by tech
people who usually can't answer questions about quantities, production schedules etc. 
This is why it's much better for this end of the market to be served by the manufacturer. 

>Anyhow, Digikey seems to to at as good or better a job as Avnet at
>stocking Xilinx parts.  If you click on the parts listed in the Xilinx
>"store" and wind up on the Avnet page, almost everything is listed as
>"out of stock", and a lot of valid device/package combinations simply
>aren't listed at all.

This was also the case every time I looked at the old xilinx store though.... 

it seem that we are all ok.. this is a problem for us !

so what can we do ?

Philippz





"Mike Harrison" <mike@whitewing.co.uk> a &#4294967295;crit dans le message de news: 
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> On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:58:53 +0000 (UTC), Uwe Bonnes 
> <bon@hertz.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de> wrote:
>
>>Labo.EKO <labo.eko***nospam***@free.fr> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> hi everybody,
>>
>>> maybe we can do a petition about this xilinx store ?...
>>> i'm French user and i can affirm that Avnet France, preferer (to not 
>>> says
>>> want ) only big customers ..
>>> they are slow and expensive.. totaly incompatible with prototype phase.
>>
>>> Maybe Xilinx prefer that we try Lattice or others parts ?...
>>
>>> i'm realy not happy against that problem. they can be take example from
>>> Microchip & sample service ...
>>
>>> ( sorry for my bad english ! )
>>
>>I also plea for Xilinx keeping/reinstatiating the Online Shop. Dealing 
>>with
>>distributors for prototyping is not an easy task...
>
> Agreed - the problem is that distis are always chasing after sales, but 
> prototyping is done by tech
> people who usually can't answer questions about quantities, production 
> schedules etc.
> This is why it's much better for this end of the market to be served by 
> the manufacturer. 

Eric Smith wrote:

>Since Digikey is already a Xilinx distributor, and since they already do
>a great job of dealing with small orders, this would seem to be a much
>more logical arrangement than having Avnet do it.
>
>Anyhow, Digikey seems to to at as good or better a job as Avnet at
>stocking Xilinx parts.  If you click on the parts listed in the Xilinx
>"store" and wind up on the Avnet page, almost everything is listed as
>"out of stock", and a lot of valid device/package combinations simply
>aren't listed at all.
>  
>
My results are that they no longer stock a variety of parts I still use 
(all 5 V).
They still list them in the catalog, but you have to order many pieces 
of many of
them (last time I looked).  For instance, the XCS30-4TQ144C is now listed
as min order 60 pcs, $49.05 ea, for a total of $2943, which is a VERY big
order for my business.

>  
>
I get these parts in 25 pc quantity from an Australian distributor for 
$15 each.

Jon

On 15 Apr 2006 18:39:28 -0700, "Peter Alfke" <alfke@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

>Well, I'll try another attack on our demonstrated stupidity.
>I have screamed and hollered for almost a year, and sent e-mails up the
>ladder, up to one step below the very top.
>Maybe I have to go one stop higher.
>Steve Knapp and I are very frustrated about this situation.
>Obviously, our company could do much better...
>Peter Alfke, from home

I'm glad you see it this way.

Further ammunition, should you need it...

Perhaps those who made the decisions based them on the quality of
distributor service visible to themselves, i.e. in the USA. Which is
fine if Xilinx don't want to be a global company.

Worldwide, things may not be quite so good; a multi-national distributor
like Avnet insists you (i.e. the customer) deal with their national
division, who operate to nationally accepted standards. Which, in the
case of the UK, means a quality of service somewhere between Fawlty
Towers and the Dead Parrot sketch.

Now I don't want to attack the idea of local distribution, and happily
use it where I can. But (for just one real example) having been quoted a
seven week lead time for a critical component, is it better to wait
patiently with a stalled project, or order it online (ex-stock!) and
continue working?

- Brian