Low-cost Altera FPGA roadmap

Since the Cyclone III is now 2 years on the market I wonder whether
Altera's low-cost line is
the Arria branch (with Arria II recently announced) or whether there
will be Cyclone IV.
Since we see the Spartan VI coming from Xilinx this year, one would
expect a competing Altera product
as well.

On Apr 14, 9:31=A0am, acd <acd4use...@lycos.de> wrote:
> Since the Cyclone III is now 2 years on the market I wonder whether
> Altera's low-cost line is
> the Arria branch (with Arria II recently announced) or whether there
> will be Cyclone IV.
> Since we see the Spartan VI coming from Xilinx this year, one would
> expect a competing Altera product
> as well.

interesting yes.

i made a april fools joke about next Altera thing to be flash based
and have ColdFire hard core,
but on the serious side it pretty interesting yes..

s-6 are not yet there, and on some points Cyclone-III are better than
S-6
so the new Altera low cost family could be REALLY interesting !!

Antti

acd <acd4usenet@lycos.de> writes:

> (with Arria II recently announced)

URL?


Petter
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On Apr 14, 10:35=A0am, Petter Gustad <newsmailco...@gustad.com> wrote:
> acd <acd4use...@lycos.de> writes:
> > (with Arria II recently announced)
>
> URL?
>
> Petter
> --
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> A: Top-posting.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?

www.altera.com

Are there any press releases etc. which indicates that the Arria II
will be competing with Cyclone III in price, e.g. that a 2AGX125 costs
less than (or the same as) an EP3C120?

Petter
-- 
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
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On 14 Apr., 13:02, Petter Gustad <newsmailco...@gustad.com> wrote:
> Are there any press releases etc. which indicates that the Arria II
> will be competing with Cyclone III in price, e.g. that a 2AGX125 costs
> less than (or the same as) an EP3C120?

The description of the Arria products states that they target cost-
sensitive applications.
"Arria=AE II GX FPGAs are the lowest power FPGAs with up to 3.75-Gbps
transceivers. Designed for cost-sensitive applications, Arria II GX
FPGAs are based on a 40-nm, full-featured FPGA architecture that
includes adaptive logic modules (ALMs), digital signal processing
(DSP) blocks, embedded RAM, and a hard PCIe IP core. This FPGA family
provides the optimal logic, memory, and DSP capabilities to address
your needs. Unlike other 3-Gbps FPGAs, Arria II GX FPGAs offer
improvements in usability that allow you to complete your projects
faster."
http://www.altera.com/products/devices/arria-fpgas/arria-ii-gx/aiigx-index.=
jsp

But of course, the high-speed links make the devices more expensive.

Andreas

On Apr 14, 2:08=A0pm, acd <acd4use...@lycos.de> wrote:
> On 14 Apr., 13:02, Petter Gustad <newsmailco...@gustad.com> wrote:
>
> > Are there any press releases etc. which indicates that the Arria II
> > will be competing with Cyclone III in price, e.g. that a 2AGX125 costs
> > less than (or the same as) an EP3C120?
>
> The description of the Arria products states that they target cost-
> sensitive applications.
> "Arria=AE II GX FPGAs are the lowest power FPGAs with up to 3.75-Gbps
> transceivers. Designed for cost-sensitive applications, Arria II GX
> FPGAs are based on a 40-nm, full-featured FPGA architecture that
> includes adaptive logic modules (ALMs), digital signal processing
> (DSP) blocks, embedded RAM, and a hard PCIe IP core. This FPGA family
> provides the optimal logic, memory, and DSP capabilities to address
> your needs. Unlike other 3-Gbps FPGAs, Arria II GX FPGAs offer
> improvements in usability that allow you to complete your projects
> faster."http://www.altera.com/products/devices/arria-fpgas/arria-ii-gx/ai=
igx-...
>
> But of course, the high-speed links make the devices more expensive.
>
> Andreas

well at EW2009 there was a guy who claimed he got 10$ pricing for
smallest Arria II (50k pcs)
that is well below Lattice price what would be 17$ (1KLUT/1$)

Antti

acd wrote:
> On 14 Apr., 13:02, Petter Gustad <newsmailco...@gustad.com> wrote:
>> Are there any press releases etc. which indicates that the Arria II
>> will be competing with Cyclone III in price, e.g. that a 2AGX125 costs
>> less than (or the same as) an EP3C120?
> 
> The description of the Arria products states that they target cost-
> sensitive applications.
> "Arria&#4294967295; II GX FPGAs are the lowest power FPGAs with up to 3.75-Gbps
> transceivers. Designed for cost-sensitive applications, Arria II GX
> FPGAs are based on a 40-nm, full-featured FPGA architecture that
> includes adaptive logic modules (ALMs), digital signal processing
> (DSP) blocks, embedded RAM, and a hard PCIe IP core. This FPGA family
> provides the optimal logic, memory, and DSP capabilities to address
> your needs. Unlike other 3-Gbps FPGAs, Arria II GX FPGAs offer
> improvements in usability that allow you to complete your projects
> faster."
> http://www.altera.com/products/devices/arria-fpgas/arria-ii-gx/aiigx-index.jsp
> 
> But of course, the high-speed links make the devices more expensive.
> 
> Andreas

My understanding is that the Arria are a bit more expensive than 
Cyclones, but much cheaper than Stratix devices.  The two things that 
make them more expensive (but worth more) are the high speed links and 
the faster logic (they use Stratix-style ALMs rather than Cyclone-style 
LEs.  So if you need fast links, they are "low-cost".  If not, they are 
not as low cost as the Cyclones.  But maybe that will change with the 
Arria II and future families.

On Apr 14, 7:46=A0am, "Antti.Luk...@googlemail.com"
<Antti.Luk...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 14, 2:08=A0pm, acd <acd4use...@lycos.de> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 14 Apr., 13:02, Petter Gustad <newsmailco...@gustad.com> wrote:
>
> > > Are there any press releases etc. which indicates that the Arria II
> > > will be competing with Cyclone III in price, e.g. that a 2AGX125 cost=
s
> > > less than (or the same as) an EP3C120?
>
> > The description of the Arria products states that they target cost-
> > sensitive applications.
> > "Arria=AE II GX FPGAs are the lowest power FPGAs with up to 3.75-Gbps
> > transceivers. Designed for cost-sensitive applications, Arria II GX
> > FPGAs are based on a 40-nm, full-featured FPGA architecture that
> > includes adaptive logic modules (ALMs), digital signal processing
> > (DSP) blocks, embedded RAM, and a hard PCIe IP core. This FPGA family
> > provides the optimal logic, memory, and DSP capabilities to address
> > your needs. Unlike other 3-Gbps FPGAs, Arria II GX FPGAs offer
> > improvements in usability that allow you to complete your projects
> > faster."http://www.altera.com/products/devices/arria-fpgas/arria-ii-gx/=
aiigx-...
>
> > But of course, the high-speed links make the devices more expensive.
>
> > Andreas
>
> well at EW2009 there was a guy who claimed he got 10$ pricing for
> smallest Arria II (50k pcs)
> that is well below Lattice price what would be 17$ (1KLUT/1$)
>
> Antti

Which Lattice?  ECP2M or ECP3?

Regards,
Gabor

Yet another content-free post with abrasive comments about posting
style.

Way to go, Petter!

On Apr 14, 12:35 am, Petter Gustad <newsmailco...@gustad.com> wrote:
> acd <acd4use...@lycos.de> writes:
> > (with Arria II recently announced)
>
> URL?
>
> Petter
> --
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> A: Top-posting.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?