Low-cost Altera FPGA roadmap

On Apr 14, 7:46=A0am, "Antti.Luk...@googlemail.com"
<Antti.Luk...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 14, 2:08=A0pm, acd <acd4use...@lycos.de> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 14 Apr., 13:02, Petter Gustad <newsmailco...@gustad.com> wrote:
>
> > > Are there any press releases etc. which indicates that the Arria II
> > > will be competing with Cyclone III in price, e.g. that a 2AGX125 cost=
s
> > > less than (or the same as) an EP3C120?
>
> > The description of the Arria products states that they target cost-
> > sensitive applications.
> > "Arria=AE II GX FPGAs are the lowest power FPGAs with up to 3.75-Gbps
> > transceivers. Designed for cost-sensitive applications, Arria II GX
> > FPGAs are based on a 40-nm, full-featured FPGA architecture that
> > includes adaptive logic modules (ALMs), digital signal processing
> > (DSP) blocks, embedded RAM, and a hard PCIe IP core. This FPGA family
> > provides the optimal logic, memory, and DSP capabilities to address
> > your needs. Unlike other 3-Gbps FPGAs, Arria II GX FPGAs offer
> > improvements in usability that allow you to complete your projects
> > faster."http://www.altera.com/products/devices/arria-fpgas/arria-ii-gx/=
aiigx-...
>
> > But of course, the high-speed links make the devices more expensive.
>
> > Andreas
>
> well at EW2009 there was a guy who claimed he got 10$ pricing for
> smallest Arria II (50k pcs)
> that is well below Lattice price what would be 17$ (1KLUT/1$)

I don't follow.  I am getting the smallest Lattice XP part at below
$10 qty 100.  How is the Arria a better price?  It may be more gates,
but who cares if you don't need them?  I don't price chips by the LUT
or 1KLUT.  I price them by the socket that will hold my design.

Rick

This is the appropriate way to reply to that...

Rick

On Apr 14, 11:19=A0am, MadHatt...@myself.com wrote:
> Yet another content-free post with abrasive comments about posting
> style.
>
> Way to go, Petter!
>
> On Apr 14, 12:35 am, Petter Gustad <newsmailco...@gustad.com> wrote:
>
>
> > Petter
> > --
> > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> > A: Top-posting.
> > Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
>
> > URL?
>
> > acd <acd4use...@lycos.de> writes:
> > > (with Arria II recently announced)
>

On Apr 14, 10:31=A0pm, rickman <gnu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 14, 7:46=A0am, "Antti.Luk...@googlemail.com"
>
>
>
> <Antti.Luk...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 14, 2:08=A0pm, acd <acd4use...@lycos.de> wrote:
>
> > > On 14 Apr., 13:02, Petter Gustad <newsmailco...@gustad.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Are there any press releases etc. which indicates that the Arria II
> > > > will be competing with Cyclone III in price, e.g. that a 2AGX125 co=
sts
> > > > less than (or the same as) an EP3C120?
>
> > > The description of the Arria products states that they target cost-
> > > sensitive applications.
> > > "Arria=AE II GX FPGAs are the lowest power FPGAs with up to 3.75-Gbps
> > > transceivers. Designed for cost-sensitive applications, Arria II GX
> > > FPGAs are based on a 40-nm, full-featured FPGA architecture that
> > > includes adaptive logic modules (ALMs), digital signal processing
> > > (DSP) blocks, embedded RAM, and a hard PCIe IP core. This FPGA family
> > > provides the optimal logic, memory, and DSP capabilities to address
> > > your needs. Unlike other 3-Gbps FPGAs, Arria II GX FPGAs offer
> > > improvements in usability that allow you to complete your projects
> > > faster."http://www.altera.com/products/devices/arria-fpgas/arria-ii-g=
x/aiigx-...
>
> > > But of course, the high-speed links make the devices more expensive.
>
> > > Andreas
>
> > well at EW2009 there was a guy who claimed he got 10$ pricing for
> > smallest Arria II (50k pcs)
> > that is well below Lattice price what would be 17$ (1KLUT/1$)
>
> I don't follow. =A0I am getting the smallest Lattice XP part at below
> $10 qty 100. =A0How is the Arria a better price? =A0It may be more gates,
> but who cares if you don't need them? =A0I don't price chips by the LUT
> or 1KLUT. =A0I price them by the socket that will hold my design.
>
> Rick

Rick

the price was for smallest ECP3 what is 17KLUT, and per L pricing
yields to 17$

you do not get 17KLUT lattice device in 100 pcs under 10$
not yet

Antti

Gabor

Regards'

Ummm...  Since we're on a top-posting roll,
I thought to point out the the original
post by Petter was not content-free.  He
was (in a way) asking for a link to the
Altera Arria II GX information.

Perhaps you thought "URL?" was some sort
of caveman-like grunt?

On Apr 14, 3:33=A0pm, rickman <gnu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is the appropriate way to reply to that...
>
> Rick
>
> On Apr 14, 11:19=A0am, MadHatt...@myself.com wrote:
>
> > Yet another content-free post with abrasive comments about posting
> > style.
>
> > Way to go, Petter!
>
> > On Apr 14, 12:35 am, Petter Gustad <newsmailco...@gustad.com> wrote:
>
> > > Petter
> > > --
> > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> > > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> > > A: Top-posting.
> > > Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
>
> > > URL?
>
> > > acd <acd4use...@lycos.de> writes:
> > > > (with Arria II recently announced)
>
>

acd <acd4usenet@lycos.de> writes:

> But of course, the high-speed links make the devices more expensive.

The package is probably a little more expensive. Qualification and
testing cost a bit more. There's most likely a royalty to the SERDES
IP provider (unless it's Altera's own). Besides from that I can't see
why they should be more expensive. A PCIe based networking card can be
purchased for $10, so the ASIC on the board must be dirt cheap. So the
additional cost can't be that high.

The market is currently willing to pay a bit more for high speed
serial interfaces, but soon people will expect them in FPGA's like
they now do with LVDS interfaces.


Petter
-- 
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?